Have you guys actually seen this site? This guy at www.happierabroad.com has a premise of his whole site that the reason so many guys have so much trouble dating isn't them, it's that they're in the wrong country!

He goes on to argue how America is basically a rigged system, where the odds of dating girls or developing a good relationship with one are so stacked against you that it's hopeless, to say the least. Points he uses to support this are:

- more single men than women

- unhealthy sense of entitlement of US women

- "every man is an island" cliquishness and new social connections are discouraged

- US women have disdain for masculinity and any interest from men: that even the idea of a guy making an approach makes him look like a creep.

The list goes on, but the solution he offers is to leave America and "go where you're wanted" He contends that women in ALL contries outside of the US are more approachable and want to give decent guys a chance, unlike the US women.

It sounds to me like this guy just has more of an axe to grind. He comes off as biased.

I checked out his discussion forum hoping to find someone who was speaking up and saying this isn't so, but all I found were sob stories from guys about the hard times they've had here, and how infinitely better their love lives are now that they're abroad.

Has anyone seen this? What are your thoughts on this sentiment? I know for a fact that western europe nightlife, like in London can be more closed off than most US places...

I have traveled quite a bit and studied abroad in Europe twice, one semester in Spain and one in Germany. This was before I had even heard about game and was still pretty AFC at the time. All I can say is that I absolutely killed it each time I was abroad. This has held true for regular trips abroad as well not just times I was living there. Not sure if it was due to the fact that I just loved being there so I was a lot more passionate and confident or if Europe is just better for gaming. One thing I did noticed is that I would come back to the states with confidence out my ass and within a matter of days I was back to striking out with American chicks. Have not been back since learning game but would love to go and see what the differences would be now that I know what I am doing.

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This.

Im from Norway, and my brother is living in the US and A. He is not that a goodlooking guy, but he has humor and confidence. American chicks are very easy to get. When chicks at the bars hear he speaks with a scandinavian accent, they automatically turns their attention to him. Scandinavian people seems to have a good reputation in the USA.

And its the same with chicks here, when latino-guys or guys from other countries(western) are out here, they automatically get attention. Very annoying when Im in the same bar LOL

Good thing you don't need to be in a different country to make yourself attractive.

Living in London is a perfect mix, because you have tons of foreigners coming in all the time who you can show a good time and have casual week/month long fling with, and a very diverse range of British born women to choose from, who usually get hit on by drunk, repressed idiots. Just starting random conversations during the day is already so foreign to most, that even with a British accent, people often ask me if I'm from somewhere else!

Having lived in the States for 6 years, I can say a British accent is a massive attraction factor, but that girls there, for all their friendliness and openness, a lot of the time have more of an ASD than British girls who, although they might have more of a bitch shield initially, will likely sleep with you pretty easily once they like you. I think the "slut" word is bandied around much more in the US and much more of a factor that in the UK and Europe, especially the Scandinavian countries, where the idea that you would judge a girl negatively for sleeping with a guy is completely alien!

I wouldn't say to "give up" on a certain place simply because the culture there is a certain way and girls act a certain way. Just find a unique way to approach that separates you from 99% of guys, and play into the "us-vs-them" and "spontaneous-crazy-fuck what the world thinks" vibe, and you can get any girl to forget her social inhibitions and do whatever you want!

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Its true but like others have said some of it has to do with other factors too. Such as ...

1. You are probably more daring and outgoing when abroad because you are probably on vacation and no one knows you and you are never gonna see them again... same reason girls on vacation are easier to pick up.

2. As said before you are a foreigner and considered exotic and something new.

So while you might be thinking to yourself that the girls in whatever country are way better than american girls it might not be necessarily true.


I will say though its stupid easy to pick up girls in Colombia and that they are better than American girls :p

I think this is where the old "familiarity breeds contempt" argument comes into play.

I have lived one semester in Germany and another in Spain and travelled a bit round Europe and instantly got many good responses from HBs just for me being foreign, and likewise when I was in the USA. However, back in boring ol' England it was back to nothing. Unless of course in London which is as we know one of the most global and cosmopolitan cities in the world you can try gaming chicas from all over the world without having to travel far!

Er, have I made sense?

let me give an example if you have a attractive accent british, french,or whtever if you in that country every one is going to have the same accent just like you but if you come to america girls are over you cause your diffrent and theres people all over the world on this site and in every club theres more guys there girls the population is 52%percent guy and 48%percent women so your rite to be skeptical but if your on vacatian its always easier for varies reasons one is that the girl know your not going to be around for long so she know its not going to be in long relatianship and if she finds you intristhing and shes atractid she going to hook up

I think it's important to note that this guy was talking about just LEAVING America for a happier, more sex-plentiful life, rather than simply just gaining from what I like to call
"the vacation bump". Hell, I'm in Richmond, VA, and even when *I* go to New York, Los Angeles, and other trendier, bigger cities, I'm way more ballzy and go right up to people.

The vacation factor definitely can help you out; there's some pseudo evolutionary-babble out there of course, about it inserting more genetics into the ecosyste, etc., and whether that's true or not is neither here nor there.

He's talking about a SUSTAINED, long-term life of abundance of female admiration, etc. by simply leaving your life here in the US, and going to Asia or Eastern Europe. He does mention a few other countries.

Honestly, European women are a looooot more direct with heir flirtatiousness and sexuality then americans. I have a very dear friend from England, every time she sees me from behind at a concert, instead of walking up and saying hi(America average) she walks up, stands for a half second and gropes my ass. She is not the most attractive of all my friends but she is much more appealing and fin because of how direct she is. And truth is open sexuality in america is a bit of a taboo, the educations system heavily reflects that...

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Wow.

This thread never seems to go away.

It's obvious really.

You are always more likey to be successful on holiday or abroad as you have the IT factor. You are the guy with the cool accent etc.

I remember having a conversation with a french guy in 1997 on my travels.

This guy looked like a film star and pulled women like you would not believe.
I remember him telling me about all the stunning women in paris and how hard they were to pull.
I remember telling him that i'm English i speak only a little french, i would have no chance.
He said.
Ah you are wrong.
He listed all the reasons why he thought i would do well that i almost believed him.

We met up in Paris later that year.
Wow.
In the 3 weeks i was there we did well.
No supermodels, 10's etc but nice looking girls.

To sum up.
I remember saying to him when i left, what was all that about.

He said.

Simple.

You are not french.

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Its all to easy.

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You guys are only seeing part of the picture.

Sure foreign novelty is a factor, but it is NOT the only factor.

The fact is, overall, Foreign women definitely ARE more feminine, approachable, humble and down to earth, than American women are. That is a fact. You can see for yourself in these video clips of Winston approaching girls in Russia:

Note: Unable to post URL's. Go to HappierAbroad home page at the link above and click on Film and Videos.

The difference is indisputable.

Also see the Comparison Chart on HappierAbroad from the home page, as well as the Big Secrets page.

The interviews and testimonials pages will mesmerize you and leave you jaw dropping as well, as you discover that the problem was not you all along, but society and its insanity.

In the Happier Abroad forum, check out these posts containing articles and brilliant points about why PUA doesn't work, but Global Dating does. You are all invited to comment on it.

Note: Unable to post URL's. Go to the HappierAbroad home page and under latest additions, click on "Why PUA doesn't work".

Also, the novelty factor doesn't always work. If you were an Asian immigrant male in America, white women would not be attracted to you, even if they've never met an Asian before.

In the US, asian men and black women are the lowest on the sexual totem pole.

So I could pretend to be a Chinese immigrant, since I'm Asian, but that would not get any attention or attraction from women in the US.

Simple fact. Keep that in mind.

Check out this three point comparison on HappierAbroad. It says it all. The movement is not just about dating, but also about social connection and mental health, which are the worst in America. We have the stats to prove it.

First, here is a big secret for you all:

Outside of the US and UK, going to see a therapist or psychiatrist is virtually UNHEARD of! I'm serious about this. It's true, yet the average American has no idea that people in other countries don't have to see mental health professionals. If they did, they'd realize the obvious implication - that life and relationships in the US are so unnaturally DYSFUNCTIONAL and toxic beyond words, that many Americans go berzerk in dealing with it all amidst a soulless empty existence. This speaks volumes, yet the media never talks about it. Even the UK, compared to the US, has a far lower rate of people going to see "shrinks" (though some say things are getting worse there). The simple truth is that outside the Anglosphere, people have close friends or relatives to talk to, and their lives - which contain problems too - are far more AUTHENTIC and GENUINE than in America. Thus, going to a therapist is unheard of in the rest of the world. But most Americans don't know this at all. Well, at least now you know...

Anyway, here is the key three point comparison that describes the HA movement. Read and meditate on it and decide for yourself how true it is.

The truth is, there is a real epidemic of loneliness and poor mental health in America, evidenced by the following dominant patterns in the US:

1. The lifestyle and environment are devoid of human connection. Every man is an island. There is an "ice barrier" between strangers. Communication is mostly business-related and greetings are superficial. People tend to be segregated, paranoid, closed and mistrustful. They meet for convenience and go their own way. Groups are cliquish and exclusive. Most people don't know their neighbors. One feels alone in crowded places. Trying to meet people feels awkward. All that matters is working and making money.

2. Dating and relationships are a no-win nightmare for many men. Women are corrupted by feminism and narcissism, making them hateful and unfeminine, with an off-chart sense of entitlement. They despise men and see them as fools, creeps and predators. As such, they are unapproachable, uptight, paranoid, and see flirting as creepy and offensive. They harbor an inner resistance toward relationships with men. Having too many choices, they become super picky and reject 99 percent of their admirers. Every attractive female is either taken, not looking, or has overly high standards. Men do not feel wanted, and niceness counts for nothing. Single men outnumber single women. There are more dateless males than in any other country.

3. The socio-cultural environment tears down your self-esteem and mental health. It makes you feel insecure, inadequate, uneasy, fragmented and alone in a highly toxic, stressful and lonely environment. A default state of worthlessness is instilled in you, making you always feel like you have to "prove yourself". Many develop inferiority complexes, brag and act phony to compensate. The social culture is a fake façade where you can't relax and "be yourself". The country boasts the highest rates of mental illness in the world, thus creating a mental health industry that does not exist in the rest of the world, which speaks volumes.

These conditions combined make America one of the WORST, if not the worst, cultures for Dating, Social Connection and Mental Health, and explain why it has the HIGHEST rates of mental illness and loneliness in the world (see our stats and studies). As the great Indian sage Jiddu Krishnamurti stated, "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." However, these truths are TABOO to mention (especially #2), lest you be seen as a "loser", for our culture only allows you to 1) act fake and pretend that everything is great, or 2) blame yourself (neither of which changes anything).

But the truth is, the real problem lies with the location, culture and environment, evidenced by the fact that those who suffer do NOT experience the same conditions once they are in different cultures (see our testimonials as proof) where the above are REVERSED:

1. Human and social connection flow more freely. The social SPAM is more open, relaxed and inclusive. It is easier and more natural to meet and connect with others. There is more of a camaraderie and familiarity between strangers. People are more authentic and down-to-earth. Friendships are truer.

2. Women and relationships are more natural and complementary. Females look and act feminine. They are sweet, humble, authentic, down-to-earth and more approachable. Women admire and respect men, and provide love and support to their man. They are much more the way God or nature intended. Men feel valued and appreciated - their niceness counts and wins actual points. There is no loneliness epidemic.

3. You feel more accepted, whole and authentic. The genuine social environment allows you to relax and be yourself, without developing inferiority complexes or mental disorders. No one has to see a therapist.

(For more comparisons, see the Comparison Chart)

Now ask yourself: Which of these two environments would YOU be happier in? Yet most Americans never hear about all this because it so taboo and politically incorrect. So that's what we are here for, to disseminate these life-changing truths to those in need. We know that once you go abroad and experience all this, your life will change forever!

Happier Abroad provides an abundance of Testimonials, Interviews, Photos, Videos, Articles, Ebooks, Research Studies, an Online Community and a Great Team that demonstrate and prove all this conclusively. Our site has changed lives and inspired many, providing hope, validation and Proven Overseas Solutions that have led people like you to Love, Fulfillment and an Authentic Saner Life overseas, becoming "Happier Abroad"

Welcome to the Global Dating and Expat Revolution!

PS - So as you can see, this is about far more than some "novelty factor". Think about it and meditate on the above.

I wanted to add a little balance to this, even though I'm the one who started the thread. Wu is right, I'm not simply referring to foreign novelty when I posed the question, I'm just not sold on the idea that leaving America is the dating answer for everyone, especially white middle class males.

Like I said, I perused the HappierAbroad forums looking for SOMEONE who was suggesting a counter argument, but it seemed that the forum was largely made up of minorities, generally Asian, complaining about the cold reception they get from American white women.

Do you think this site is really set up to benefit mostly, people of other ethnicities, possibly those with strong east-Asian ties as well, rather than the white people who've lived here for a long time and even had success with women?

I will say though, if you're a short Asian guy, generally in the US, you're going to have a tough time.

I used to work with this short Japanese guy. Really awesome guy, but he was mild-mannered and soft-spoken, and could never even get girls to look at him; fat, ugly, whatever. I really felt bad for the guy. One night we were all out having drinks and this dude was trying to help him out. I mean he was on his side and everything but the advice he was giving him was just bad stuff to hear. He'd say stuff like, "why don't you talk to that girl? She looks like she's your height."

All in all, if you're a white, middle class, decent looking guy, you don't have any excuse to not be having at least some success with women from time to time.

I can't help thinking that's not who your site has in mind though. And the comparison charts are just opinions. I could make a list of 20 ways that I think something is stupid, and line it up next to something I think is cool and call it a comparison chart.

Several posts on your forum also discuss how many foreign countries, especially other western Anglo ones, as well as top tier east Asian cities like Tokyo, are just as tough as the US, if not worse!