I dis-agree, you can have good calibration but be following a routine. I think if you can neg, DHV, kiss-close without even thinking about it you have become a natural. Like you learned the skills so well it becomes almost second nature, like breathing, or a basketball player dribbling, or a quarterback throwing a perfect spiral. It just happens naturally after practice.

Naturals are just guys who are good with girls, mPUA are exactly what the name states, masters of the art of pickup. So I am goin with mPUA.

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Social interactions and fun, that's why I'm here.

I chose mPUA, because I want to work for a girl. I like to hunt.

Assuming their pickup level is the same?

Definitely Natural: for me, being a natural already means I didn't have to spend a whole chunk of my life dedicated to learning how to be a PUA, now some people enjoy this but IMO that time could have been put into learning something else (another instrument, sport, hobbie) for the sake of self improvement.

I consider myself a natural, I've never had trouble closing.. but at the same time I voted mPUA because I do see benefit to this material and I have learned stuff from this site.

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Take notes.

A key difference I've seen between PUA's and Naturals is PUA's hit on girls, Naturals get hit on BY girls.

Thats not necessarily true. Theres many instances where a PUA opens a set and is hitting on the target but ends up getting IOIs from the targets friend.

The difference is that a natural never looked up ways to pick up women (or used things like this site or books), they just were able to pick up women naturally.

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Take notes.

Let me re-phrase then, PUA's go to the girls, girls are drawn to the naturals. PUA's attempt to gain attraction, naturals will often get it without even saying a word. PUA's learn to overcome rejection, naturals learn to thrive on success.

Just like dogs can sense fear, women can sense naturals.

Im already a natural. PUA is enhancing the natural skill

The answer is natural any day and twice on Sunday, which as much mpua knowledge from everybody i can get, and take what what you like and can be implemented to your already natural game, this recipe is an ATOMIC BOMB!

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Why dont you guys help yourselves and replace the term natural with "a guy with sex appeal" or some other normal shit.

There is no such thing as pure pua and pure natural. Everyone is a mixture of sex appeal (attractiveness), and game (outergame, pua skills etc).. No matter who the guy is he will never have the ability to choose if he just sits and waits to be hit on by women. Some "naturals" just know how to attract women they want to without even wihout directly gaming them. Ive done that before in my "afc" days with a girl from some place my family visited for several weeks. No idea how, but it happened i dunno how i directed it towards the girl, all i know is i wanted her and that is it. Even though i never hit on her she felt that i wanted her and she initiated the conversation with me and we started dating (i was 16 shes 18). I did it before with classmates with 4 other chicks. I dont know how but all i know is i wanted them genuinely wanted them. And they all eventually initiated it. I was the quiet type but i never tried to be nice. I was sort of an ass but I never directly hit on them and eventually they were the ones who escalated the relationship to the next level.

There is no such thing as a pua unicorn ( natural ). Just a man who, like 90 percent of guys, had success with women. He failed he succeeded and he failed just like most guys, and just like most guys this "natural" felt like he could be better so he looks at tips online (pick up advice), and tries them (becomes a pua arguably).

This division between pua and natural is completely superficial and annoying with all the pointless threads devoted to it. The only difference are ones who are not humble enough to admit they are here because they need some degree of help.

Cant we go back to the normal days when there are no puas nor naturals just dudes trying to get laid more or better and sharing tips.

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Why do you have to pick one over the other?

Here's a way to look at the dilemma.

Let's say the natural is a street racer and he's a good racer winning his fair share of local races. He knows how to drive, but hasn't given a lot of thought to his car.

Now, let's say a pua is a mechanic. He knows how the car works; he knows all these little tricks on how to get more performance out of the car. Doesn't mean he can win races or even drive the car.

So, when you take the street racer and get him interested in how his car works he can only improve so long as he does what's right for his car and doesn't start listening to everyone else telling him to do this, or add that, or he must do something in a particular way.

If you already know how to drive a certain kind of car and then suddenly change to a completely different car because it's "the best" then you're not going to make it far.

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Natural no doubt. I understand im on a pua website but it tickles my pickle if u know what I mean reading some of this shit. Like I read the dirt which was sick, so I then read the game. But honestly I think what I've got going is better and it's the most natural way you can go. Just don't give a shit. About anything. I swear to god it's the best. I wish people realized it's better than being a pua master. You will always win if you let yourself

i voted mpua, I don't really see much of a difference, both more or less will end up using some kind of routine most likely, wether they realize it or not, (you ever been around a natural that is allways saying the same kind of shit over and over)