hey I have been doing the newb mission and i am having trouble with smiling at women. Most of the women i smiled at didn't return it. So i am wondering whats a good smile, one with a huge grin showing teeth or a closed lipped smile or maybe a smirk?

if i have to choose a good smile i' would choose the "normal" or "standard" smile

this one >

but do the smile that u feel most comfortable with, the one u usually do the most

Usually if you try to use a fake smile it's going to come across as... a fake smile. just be natural. you're in the club dancing, talking with your friends, generally having a good time, why wouldn't you smile?.. also, try not to just get eye contact and smile (as it may come off sort of stalker-ish) add a wave, point to the dance floor... whatever you want to do. if she ignores you or looks away what did you lose? you're opening from a distance. if rejected, you're in a club, it's usually packed, nobody will notice. Your social value remains the same and you are free to try again. mix it up, have fun

alright i'll try my usual smile today when i go to the mall. I have been forcing a diffrent one and it did feel kinda plastic and akward. Been kinda bummed out lately cuse i have been trying this newb mission an i think i was taking it too seriously i'm gonna try to cut back on the effort and just have fun with it.

I hear you Mr. Madman,

I too find it difficult to'force' a smile as I was always staring people down a bit and not looking happy.
I think the 'trick' here is to make that smile your own, be happy with yourself, be proud you go out, be pride of the way you handle yourself. Whatever you do, keep smiling, internalise it in your self.

And above all, rol out and have fun with it as you say!

Dude, what i do when walking past and smiling, is a closed lip smile which isn't too big

I just move my eyes too look at them, not my entire head, and sometimes give them a little nod, try it out

Hope this helps,

Peace,

Troyden

Great advice bros and keep em coming. I need to really work on the my smiles toward women i went sarging today, daygame at a mall and i got really no responses with my smiles. all though i started some convos for the first time which I'll take as improvement. does anybody know how i can practice my smiles and eye contact out of sarging?

in my experience, smiles and eye contact work best in night game. reason behind this is that it's so loud in the club hat you usually can't hear eachother, so a lack of communication at the start is no problem/ how to interact. during day game, people typically aren't out just having fun. they're running errands, on lunch from work, or generally not paying attention to what's going on around them, fixated on the task at hand. during day game he trick is to extract them from their routine and engage in interesting/captivating conversation.

you can use canned openers like "buying your sister a gift", "directions to the post office", "best place for coffee" etc. while in these conversations you are free to use eye contact and smiles. keep up the good work!