Okay this may apply to any situation... and im not sure how well respected david deangelo is on this forum but i have a few questions... I have recently read his double your dating book and tried some of his theories tonight....


That being said, my best approach/opener comes when we are in a club and two girls are dancing with each other (country dancing)... me and a buddy come and and start dancing with each girl respectively.. Here is where I have trouble.. I have no idea how to game well while two-stepping with a girl.. normal club grinding is harder to communicate but while two-stepping its a different story... For the deangelo approach... how would I approach the dancing... make fun of here dancing etc...?? all i ended up with tonihgt was simple boring conversation...

thanks

Most of Pick Up is those boring questions. Is what you can do with those boring questions that can make it fun.

You: Are you guys from around here?
Her: close, were from Town X
You: No way, I am from Town X, which street?
Her: Random Street
You: I am from Random Street. I own that Big Yellow house that looks like a space rocket (she knows your joking now)

This is one way of making it fun, this can continue for a while depending on the girl or you and how far you can push it. You need to mix it up and become not predictable. So if you keep doing this, you will loose your girl and see will see you as a clown.


You can make fun of here dancing by approaching her and saying "You dance like my little sister, how adorable."

Double your dating.... I never understood that name. When you double nothing you get nothing so what's the logic here?

I got to say something. David Deangelo material on cocky funny realy enlighten me! Im a pretty sarcastic funny guy by nature, and knowing that a MPUA uses cocky funny as the fundamental of his method realy gave me that boost up! I do use Mystery method as well, kind of to locate where i stand in the interaction process and make sure i follow the attraction/confort/seduction, and kinoescalation, etc.
I would recommend you this: if you are not very confortable dancing, or you are more confortable with "talk game", just step up to the dancefloor, dancing kind of funny like you are realy enjoying the music, but at the same time like you are crossing the dancefloor to go to another corner of the club or bar. stop right next to her (not facing, but like your right shoulder pointing her right shoulder), give her a serious Johnny Bravo serious look for like 3 seconds and: 1) crack a smile and just keep walking (thats a non verbal opener... you can approach her later with a cocky funny line) 2) tell her "this dancefloor is too small for the both of us... we must dance battle until one of us die 3) you are taking my spotlight... i give you until the next song to leave the dancefloor (while pointing at a light) 4) You are not a professional dancer ... but im! (make one of those random moves from the 60's or something) 5) are you going to dance here for too long? (point to the floor) ... cause that is my favorite spot on the dancefloor.

(these are thinks that just come to my mind in the moment, and then i decide to use them again to see if i get the same positive response from another girl. If i get at least 3 out of 5 positive responses, i take a mental note and use them... thats why i call them routines!):
These are just some of the "openers" i have used and they work most of the times. NOW, i always give the impression that im just walking through the dance floor to tell her that AND LEAVE so it doesnt look like a pick up line. Its like -walk up-say the line-crack a smile-little kino touch-keep walking-grab a drink at the bar. If i see she is not planning on leaving the dancefloor, i will walk up again and stack up another joke like: you still here?! ITS TIME TO DANCE BATTLE! and dance. I usually trow a "I was invited to participate on Dancing With The Stars, but i was too good to get into the show!" ... "OH NO, this is my jam! *push her away gently* give me some space!look seriously at the dancefloor* Never mind, wrong song! OR let me save my break dancing show for latter" ... "michael jackson got nothing on me ... besides his nose job!"

I personally try to keep my convos off the dancefloor. Thats like going to the movies to have a convo!
there are little "lines" that i usually use to get her and me confortable to my sarcasm when the "boring" questions come up:
She- whats your name?
Me- My name is Bond! (with a James Bond voice and face)
She - James Bond?!
Me- shhhh... dont say it too loud ... im undercover!

If she asks 2 tipical question in a row, like:
She- What do you do/ how old are you/ where are you from?
Me- take it easy on the questions! whats next? criminal record? blood tests? credit report? ... You dont work for the IRS do you?!

Me- What do you do?!... WAIT, if you are gonna tell me you work at dunkin donuts/mcdonalds please dont say it! I work at starbucks/wendies and i hate cheap competition!

OK... IM STOPING WRITTING NOW... GET ON THE FIELD!

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haha yeah your right.. If I double my current amount of dating it would be at 0...


Anyway, I think my biggest problem is in the communicating.. I don't have a problem opening but it all goes south from there. I can never think of anything witty or clever to say on cue.. Especially with the loud noise of the club.. I hate asking "what?" all the time.

Like you said conversation should be left off the dance floor but I am terrible at talking.. This is in all aspects of life. I don't have a problem with my very close friends but anything else I am just awkward and am that boring question guy.

DD'A was one of my first PUA materials. It was eye opening at the time, but looking back it was just the tip of the iceberg. I don't think following his stuff to the letter is a good idea nor do I think it will give you consistent success.

However, I do think there are some good lessons to learn from good ol Davey D

1. Don't be intimidated by girls. They hate it, and they don't want to fuck you if they sense it.

2. The whole cocky funny thing works, but only in small doses. If all you do is belittle a girl and remind her of her short commings she will not want to be around you. This only works if you have the whole asshole badboy thing down, but honestly if you actually had that down, you wouldnt be on this PUA site because your attitude would be "wtf do i need that shit for, bitches will fuck me anytime i want"

3. Thinking animal kingdom is good, but treating girls like animals is BAD. His basis for becoming sexually confident are great lessons for a clueless AFC to discover, but again if all you do is thump around like a gorrilla in heat girls will just run the other way.

4. the biggest point to take away is not to be a wussbag. He repeats it over and over and over and frankly most people still don't grasp that concept. The minute you let a girl take control of the situation is the exact moment she decides you are not manly enough for her. whether it happens in the first 5 seconds, or on the 5th date. Yes some girls WANT a wussbag guy, but it's because they wish they had a penis. Why would you want to fuck a dude with tits?

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I was just watching Dj Fuji -- The Core Fundamentals of Game on youtube and there is something he said that clicked in my mind. You should focus on methods but on fundamentals. Like i say, just because you have good jokes, it doesnt make you a comedian!Mystery method is good, Double Your dating method is good, Annihilation Method is good, etc... but by experience, i study the material in order to find its fundaments, go to its core. If you just stick to being cocky funny, you are gonna end up being the jokester ... if you focus on being extremely confident, it becomes counter productive as ppl will not respect you but feel intimidated by you!
This is where David D material on cocky funny helped me. Im naturally a very sarcastic person, but i would always be affraid of saying something and ppl not understanding it. That fear made me deliever my "jokes" in a very serious way, which would make it even harder for ppl to take it as a joke. Then i got past that fear and i became less "intimidating", more playful, more welcome.

I decided to put myself out there and experience stuff. I started going to concerts, shooting ranges, galleries, shows, parks, museums, conventions on stuff like sneakers, music, etc... and very honestly, i became a person not only interested on lots of different stuff, but most important, i became an INTERESTING person with stories to tell, etc. I developed new interests, and i became a person that i like being, and that people enjoy being around. I went from not having female friends to having girls calling me cause they want to introduce me to her friends. Sometimes i would get hit with the "what if i cant live according to these girls expectations?!" ... thats when i realized that im not acting, im not making up stories, im not pretending... this is who im, this is who i became, and this is who i want to be!

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