Yeah, he is saying what not to do. He is clearly saying do not rape, but all you hear is the word rape.
If you re-read your previous quote of his. He was trying to distinguish between persistence and force. Being persistent, has nothing to do with rape. But he was obviously afraid that people like you, would misinterpret what he was trying to say, so he made a clear distinction between what he was trying to say and how it could be misinterpreted.
His method is not close to rape at all.
A matter of fact, the reason you think it does, is because he went out of his way to address the issue, and specifically warn men about any actions that may be perceived as forceful, even though his method does not involve any of these actions.
I am not familiar with that audio, nor the context in which it was said, though I may add that many gurus have said much worse comments that could be taken out of context.

Regardless of what he said. I am not defending the man, merely the method. If you reread the quoted text you provided, it gives some good advice, similar to that given by other gurus.

I already said he was a troubled man, and I don't condone the crime he committed, but you can't throw out all the merit in his teachings, simply due to an unrelated criminal action.

If he was a rapist and was trying to convince other guys to rape, you would have a point. But you have shown me nothing to prove that his method condones or is complicit with rape, molestation, or sexual assault of any kind. All you have done is try to denounce the man in his personal life and not the material and the value it may hold.
So you've proven that he's drinks and doesn't follow gun safety. So how does that correlate to how his method is flawed or how his method is inherently misogynistic?

His crime gives a bad name to the community. His method and teachings do not.

Kalel, the remarks about raping women are not out of context, the interviewer spends over 3 minutes clarifying and asking him, in several different ways, what he's saying. He even asks Gunwitch if he's serious. He is! It's disturbing!

I'll maintain that Gunwitch's method walks down the path so close to rape that he has to actually tell people not to rape. He feels he has to point out a fine distinction between what he teaches and actually raping a woman.

Then there's an interview where he says repeatedly, in no uncertain terms, that he would like to rape women if there weren't laws against it. Then he re-qualifies and says that he would totally do it if he wouldn't get caught.

THEN he takes a gun and shoots a woman in the face at a New Years Eve party.

This is advice on having sex woman from a man who would like to rape women and who has actually shot a woman in the face. Unleashing this kind of advice on socially inexperienced men is irresponsible.

Just so you all know, I read somewhere (Ill try to find the link) that almost all the charges against Gunwitch was recently dropped because the female he shot had threatened him in a violent manner and she was on meth at the time of the incident.

That being said, Gunwitch method will get you laid, rape is a bad thing, Gunwitch is probably mentally unstable, and... yeah thats all.

Have a good day

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You keep saying this, but you have yet to show me where his teachings actually show this at all. All you have shown me is where he says don't be forceful and don't rape.

You have yet to show me where, in his teachings, it shows to "walk down a path close to rape". That doesn't exist in his teachings anywhere. You are just making that up, because you don't like the catchphrase "make a ho say no"; a catchphrase which I might add is not about rape but rather about learning and gauging a woman's sexual boundaries in a calm and understanding way.

If you have such a problem with what his is teachings about women. Quote the parts of his teachings that you actually have a problem with. You probably have no idea what his teachings are, and are ignorantly angry. Be angry at what you know, not at what you assume. Be angry at facts, not at general impressions or assumptions. You feel like he is teaching guys to rape, but you can not show me any of his teachings that say this.

Also I listened to the audio clip, and it was shocking, but that was because it was set in a hypothetical situation. He said that if he lived in a prehistoric/pre-civilized or a post-apocalyptic world, he would rape. Which sounds really bad, but he most likely said it just for the shock value. Because if you listen to the end, it had never even occurred to him that he might have to hold a rape victim down. He was just talking shit for the attention. If he were truly a potential rapist, he would get off on the control aspect of the rape, not the sexual aspect. I don't like the fact he is making light of rape, but I also don't see him as a potential rapist. To me it seemed like a guy with a very dark sense of humor, talking shit. Still no where in this clip did he instruct guys to go out in modern society and rape.

Kinda changes things doesn't it. Shooting a violent meth head in the face who is attacking you, doesn't really have a bearing on your philosophy on women, now does it?

I wont idolize and protect a man capable of doing such a thing. Really look at his method....it isn't anything groundbreaking, only something from a mind of someone assertive to a serious fault. I cant even believe the people on here still think anything this man says is credible, it really goes to show how gullible some people are on this forum....

"Be assertive".....no fucking shit. What a pioneer....

Oh and Kalel, you are losing credibility with every word so if you still wanna give off the impression you have a double digit IQ, best cut your losses. The man was 3x the size of this young girl, and he could have easily subdued her without the need to pull out a gun and blast her face off. I dont give a fuck what his teachings are, if you dont have the balls to criticize the source of this information you eat up no questions asked....well go ahead anyway. I doubt you truly have ever gotten a woman using this...."method"

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a man is never condoned in shooting an unarmed woman.

methed out or not, he could have just bitch-slapped her unconscious.

a clean shoot is one in which:

any REASONABLE and PRUDENT person, logically perceives that an attacker has MEANS, ABILITY, and OPPORTUNITY and is intent upon and in the act of attempting to KILL or CAUSE GRAVE BODILY HARM (MAIM) you, while you have no ability to retreat.

was shooting a meth-head in the face his ONLY viable option to get out of that situation?

maybe charges were dropped, but likely what he did was questionable, if not outright wrong.

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I remember that I did something like that to a girl.

This girl didn´t want to go home with me. She said shit like "I´ve had sex with allot of guys, and now I would like to take a break". But I wanted to have sex, and we all know that you can take control of people decisions, if you take control over there emotions.

So man plan was to get her all turned on. So we kissed touched, and whispered "this feels so right". It sounded that I was talking for myself, but I just wanted to switch her thoughts to "I god yes it dose". And then bang I pulled the trigger, "let´s go", I told here, and it worked.

But I don´t know how many times you can get away with her saying no to you.

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I never said he was groundbreaking. Lots of gurus have had similar perspectives and ideas, but you can't just say that all of his teachings are insane or evil, just because later in life he was involved in a crime.

But unlike you and other people condemning him, I have read some of his stuff. There was nothing misogynistic or hateful in it! There was no chapter about rape or gun violence, nothing like that, no evil undertones or hate speech, nothing but normal material. It had some good points, which were worth defending. And that's what I'm defending, his material.

My argument is how can you condemn something that you have not read?!
How can you judge something with no knowledge of it.
I'll consider the source. I never said I wouldn't. But you must also consider the content.
Have you considered the source? Or did you just jump on the anit-gunwitch bandwagon? We don't have enough details to paint him as a monster, yet. You weren't there and neither was I, so neither of us should speculate on what could or could not have happened. But if charges are being dropped, they must be being dropped for a reason. Also I have heard some reports that she had been armed with a knife.

People that are put in positions of giving people advice the way these gurus are and the people that hang onto their every word, should they not be held accountable for their actions? Politicians are held accountable and scrutinized because of their position of influence over the public. When they cross the line, it's game over. They have lost any and all credibility and rightfully so.

Who said I haven't read the Gunwitch Method? I have. It's not long at all and far from impressive or enlightening. In a nutshell it's teaching men who are intimidated by women to be more aggressive and that there really isn't anything to fear. A stepping stone. Yet that's hardly anything original and anyone who's half decent with women can tell you that.

I, myself, haven't even typed the words "rape" or "violence" in reference to this so dont put words in my mouth. Why do you think this community is ridiculed so much? Because we take any fuckhead with a method of getting chicks and idolize him. I DEMAND someone who is trying to teach me anything to have his shit together and be a respectable person.

This is a very shaky community anyway in the sense that there is constantly a continuous cycle of new, impressionable young guys joining all the time that dont know any better. It's a perfect marketing scheme to promise some horny sexually frustrated guys "secrets" and "Methods" to getting laid. Some advice out there is great and alot of things I'd recommend to the closest of my friends. A "guru" that's at a party with a bunch of meth heads that pulls out a revolver (I dont give a fuck about the circumstances) and shoots a girl MAYBE half his size...not so much. You said yourself you weren't there so your just blowing smoke up your own ass with these "reports". We KNOW he shot the girl. That much we do know...

Have some standards for the information you choose to take in and it's source. I could even understand if what he taught was actually useful.....yet you haven't told us how well his method has worked out for you? Leave this thread, joke.

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Kalel, I did quote the man's teachings DIRECTLY in an earlier post and provided audio of him saying he would totally like to rape a girl if he could get away with it. You can read where he actually states "make the ho say no" (twice) but nothing that says "learning and gauging a woman's sexual boundaries in a calm and understanding way". Hypothetical is nonsense, most men would not think to rape a girl even hypothetically.
Not at all, he still shot a woman in the face. The "violent meth head" attacking him part is speculation unless I missed a link somewhere. Casey Anthony was found not guilty today, does that give her the green light to babysit your kids?

I'm sure the Gunwitch Method can get you laid (on occasion), it's just one of the darker, more antisocial methods of dealing with women.

I never put anyone on a pedestal. I clearly stated that he was a troubled man. But I can judge material on it's own merit. If you don't think his material has merit, that's fine that's your opinion. But I will defend my arguments. Professor X claimed his teachings were to borderline rape girls. If you have read Gunwitch, you would know that that is not the case. I tried to correct him on the subject, but he continued to assert that his method's were rape-like. I'm saying I have read his material in the past, and it has nothing to do with rape or violence. I'm not trying to defend Gunwitch, but every time I try to make an argument about his material, someone comes along and says "he shot a girl in the face, so your wrong". The initial argument was, does Gunwitch promote borderline rape activities in his materials? My answer was No. Do you agree or disagree? Either way this isn't an argument about him "shooting a girl in the face", its an argument over his material content.

He says "make the ho say no" as a reference to earlier material, it's a catchphrase not and intended action. In that same paragraph he clearly states not to use force at all and warns against any actions that could be construed as rape. You clearly highlighted "make the ho say no" and didn't read the rest of your own quoted material and the context in which it was used.
I didn't see anything misogynistic or violent in any of the material you quoted from him. Nor did I see him promote rape or sexual assault.
What I'm arguing is besides the "make the ho say no" catchphrase, what in his material is so antisocial and dark? We could argue back and forth about the man all day, but neither of us know him or have any details about the incident. But lets stick to referring to the material, since that's what I was initially defending.

Kalel is just ripping this topic up.

As far as the "Gunwitch Method of seduction" goes, its like this:

If you think it doesn't work in relation to getting laid, and being able to use to to get constant lays, your probably not getting laid much.

If you think its the best thing in the world and only it should ever be used, your probably not getting laid much.

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Shit if this is who hobbit said I reminded him of I'm honored. I love this gunwitch guy. Him with a bit of 60, and some dicarlo escalation ladder would be killer. Definitely going to do a mix up when I hit the street.

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