(I'll place it here, since I cannot post in the lounge, because I didn't reply 50 times).

I totally forgot about the concept of PUA's and gaming etc. Then I remembered I had an account here. So let me share some thoughts with you, for what it's worth.

First of all. It has been like a year since I read a last thing about PU, seduction artists etc. I noticed that in a year there are dozens of new guru's, theories, methods and techniques. It's pretty funny to see. It kinda resembles the new age world, with a shitload of books/writers/guru's and truths. Fact: most of it is crap, recycled or just moneydriven scamming.

If you are a naturally attractive/interesting/charismatic man, chances are you never come across this kind of info and if you do you're not particularly interested.

Most of us came here, because we lacked something. We were probably just too shy, to self-aware, socially incompetent or something like that. Not a really big deal. But, truth be told, reading some material in the seduction community can really be a big help.

You'll learn how to improve your approach, holding the attention of a girl and how to not screw up things before the actual screwing. Ok, so that is perfectly fine. Most of the usefull things you learn, are actual basic pshychology mixed with some evolution theorybased interaction psychology. You get bit by bit better at approaching and flirting with girls.


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You made your first steps, you are now better at it then you were, and you are probably better at it than the average guy. Now let life unfold itself. Just observing the world and experiencing a lot of different things with different people will teach you far more than any books or gurus. Based upon your new experience you should have gotten a new kind of confidence which will make you more at ease approaching girls... And you will learn from every new experience. Will the uncertainty that is included in approaching strange people ever totally go away? No luckily it won't. Maybe you should call it excitement instead of anxiety. I damn the day that I won't feel any excitement when I approach I girl I don't know.


Don't be a sucker for every brand new theory with a fancy name. Dr.Heartbeats- Ninja Laserpulse Stealth Technology, or something like that. It is crap, it is recycled or it is just plain false. I know the world is changing constantly, so some techniques worked back in the days. They won't work nowadays. Why? Because they became so popular and wellknown, chances are a girl just rejected a guy before you using that very technique. This will be the faith of every technique. Techniques are not important. It is the underlying fundament that you should get. And those won't change. And could be written on max. 2 pages. But why would it? If you get it, you won't lose it.

Forget about these silly abbreviations. Forget about these guru's. Improving your social skills should have given you a newfound confidence on which you can build castles. Besides you are a unique person, if anyone can lead you to a solid 'game' it is YOU. Try, fail, learn and enjoy.

And more important. Life is too beautiful to focus too much on this little aspect. Devoting your time to PU makes you less and less interesting. Spending time in perfectioning your DHV stories, while in the mean time you could really experience cool things, about which you may CHOOSE to tell some people. Develop yourself, enjoy life. As a SIDE effect, girls will be interested in you. But it's a consequence not a goal. Nor an endpoint. Being a PUA is really ridiculous and sad. Being a developed man, with his own interests, lifestory, friends and stories isn't.

So the PUA community has it's place in life, if you need it. But only for a 'start-up', and only for a very limited time. Get confident and then leave this whole PU thing behind.

It's a good post for someone who is 18 and is consumed by PU and has nothing else going for him. But you can't tell people what to do and what not to do... ("Don't try to become a PUA")

You are coming from a place of someone who just wanted to get "better". Some people want to be more than better, they want to excel. PU can be a hobby, like any other hobby, and there is nothing wrong with trying to become exceptionally good at it - to become a pick up ARTIST.

You CAN become an ARTIST. You CAN become insanely good. And at that point the adventure only begins.

To me it makes much more sense than to run marathons, for example. 42 KM? That's crazy.... And as a hobby it opens you to so many other areas - psychology, dance (if you take on salsa etc), humor, magic (if that's the type of game you run), healthy eating habits, gym... once you take on PUA seriously, it just makes you a better person in so many ways. There is nothing else that I would like to do right now.

But as Style said - it should never be more than a glorified hobby.

Some people just need to be shown a direction. You can travel all you like but if you never know what north is and what south you'll get nowhere.

PUA can be seen as a compass. You'll need to use it some time for your sense of direction to become natural, but until then, it's nice to have some sort of guide lead the way.

Some people are born with a great sense of direction, others aren't. Who are we to judge a person's way of developing such senses? When it becomes natural everybody stops thinking in PUA terms, the people who are actually consumed with PUA are the people who still have some developing to do.

ah jeezus, what is the compulsion?

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what dr. house brings to medicine, i bring to everyday life (an extreme dose of cynicism), don't listen to the curmudgeon!

Wow.

Couldnt. Have. Said. Better.

Thank you, for what it worth

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Dear Optimist, Pessimist & Realist,

Just to let you know that while you guys were arguing about the glass of water...... I drank it!

Sincerely, the Opportunist

Quite frankly once you realize what pick up is about or more the key/core parts of it and realize majority of the stuff out there is junk or fluff you find you don't really need PUA theories and what have you. I bet most guys here won't believe me you can walk up to a girl and pretty much say what ever to her with confidence and with a bit of personality and humor you will get her number or a one nighter.

Haha... I loved this. Jurupa - you've been on this forum for THREE years. You made more than 2000 posts.

You suffer from the same "problem" that most gurus and advanced players suffer from - you forgot how much you sucked at this when you started and you are oblivious to the fact that you have internalized so much material, that by now it all seems natural to you.

Sure, now after 3 (or more?) years of gaming you have so much confidence and so much experience with women that you can just walk up to them with "hi" and get a number and even an f close. But could you do it 3 years ago? No. It SEEMS like this to you now, but it can't be true or you wouldn't have been here to begin with.

All the "junk and fluff" as you call it has become such an integral part of who you are, that you now think that it's all "natural". It is natural for some... that's why we call them "naturals". But if you are on this forum for 3 years and took the time to write more than 2000 posts - you were not a natural.

It's funny but I can already feel this on MYSELF.

Yesterday for the first time I number and kissed closed a girl ON THE STREET (I still can't believe it! An awesome club dancer, HB9!) and then pulled another girl out of a club and f closed here within 20 minutes, telling her that she is coming home with me to see my "stamp collection".

I kino escalated her so fast and push/pulled her fucking brains out, on the way to the hotel she kept saying "where are we going where are we going" as token resistance and inside I was telling myself "THANK YOU TYLER DURDEN, THIS IS TOO EASY! ".

Three months ago I wouldn't even know what token resistance is and I would have probably stopped in the street and start to EXPLAIN her that WE ARE GOING TO MY HOTEL and would ask her "ARE YOU OK WITH IT ????" But now knowing this stuff I was just laughing to myself thinking "I'M GONNA BANG THIS CHICK 5 MINUTES FROM NOW AND IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME"


ALREADY I have internalized so much material, so many routines, so many alpha mannerisms, that while on set if someone would see me from the side he would think that I'm a natural alpha male that pulls ass from the age of 14. I already don't remember which of the routines are mine, which ones I "borrowed", and which ones are spontaneous. All the sets mash together while I'm on autopilot calibrating.

But is it really ME? Is it really so easy?? NO! It is the NEW ME.

This is the result of THREE MONTHS of non stop work and sarging EACH NIGHT all coming together and clicking at the right time and in the right place.

To all the newbies out there - be very careful when you take advice from gurus and very advanced players who say things like Jurupua. To them it already all seems natural / easy / obvious / smooth - but this is only because they internalized everything and it is part of who they are.

STICK WITH THE PROGRAM and in a few months / years you will be there too.

lmao @ token resistance and stamp collection

lovit

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what dr. house brings to medicine, i bring to everyday life (an extreme dose of cynicism), don't listen to the curmudgeon!

I do applaud you, dude, on denouncing new "theories" and "systems." I mean, look scripts are good when you have no idea what you're doing, but I think we can all agree that once you get the hang of talking to women you can't follow a blueprint as much. But yeah, if you already know what you're doing, and are happy with where you're at, you don't need to buy the new DVD that's "revolutionizing" game.