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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:39 pm 
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I have a little issue that has been playing on my mind.

I started getting into PUA, because i wasn't happy with my results and girls. I kinda new i had natural game and an alpha personality. I also realised the problem i had wasn't really because i just didnt know what to do with girls, i was just inexperienced. I don't go out too often, it's difficult with logistics and stuff. After reading lots of posts and what some MPUA's say, i realise i was already doing most of it. Here is where my issue is.

Should i continue with developing my natural game? i'm still young, 18, and i just need to work on it. Or should i continue to study and research PUA to incorporate it into my game? i have a good basic understanding of the game which has helped me with girls, having a game plan going into sets helps, but i don't want learning PUA to affect my natural game negatively, so i end up peaking with what i can do as a PUA when i could have just gone out and been natural and done better.

What do experienced members think about this? Work on natural or both?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:11 am 
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Stop reading PUA and start socializing more. Likely you'll be satisfied with the results once you start meeting people.
I agree, if you have natural game, don't pollute it with PUA stuff.


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i'd have to disagree on this. develop both! the way i see it, everyone has natural game, but that's honed in on one type of girl. it's all evolutionary. of course people who are alive today can get girls. their parents could find mates, grandparents, etc. so clearly they can too. the only thing is they might attract females of a certain personality, or attractiveness. now if you learn about pua, you can apply stuff to all girls, no matter the level of attractiveness, greatly increasing your choices. so why not develop both? just know when to be your natural self with a girl, and when to game her (this takes time to realize, but cold reading helps a lot)


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i've only been in the PUA community for less than 2 weeks. I've been doing some hardcore studying of social dynamics from across the board, just reading and understanding the general concepts, everything from a PUA view.

i'm pretty certain i'm a natural, because most of what i've read i can remember applying from a long long time ago and i'm still young, 18. i've always been cocky funny, just lacked some confidence and had selfdoubt. i've always been alpha in most of the things i do, i just hadn't had the opportunity to socialise too much before now.

All i needed was a push to get my natural game going, which i found through this community and PUA material, and advice on how to close girls. i'm fairly sure i would have figured this out sooner or later on my own through experience.

i just don't want my natural game to be tainted and altered because i feed it all this PUA info. if there is any naturals who started getting into PU young, like i am, or even older. it would be awesome to know what they feel.

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If your natural, its hard to use all of that pick-up stuff. (routines, push-pull, etc) if your natural those things usually come to you naturally. I'd look up some stuff about inner game, thats all I needed to do before i became successful with Natural Game.

And remember, you can't just read material and think you'll get better. You have to put it to the test. Go out there and practice what you read, take a buddy, make a bet with someone (I bring $100 and give it to my friend and if i don't approach 10 girls by an alloted time he keeps the money).


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Here's a suggestion and a warning from someone who went through something similar.

Find out what kind of guy you are, and what features you have that are seductive. Eradicate the obstacles within yourself and use your resources to nurture your seductive features. It's easier to make a sprout grow taller than plant a completely new seed. You don't need to abandon who you once were.

Now, here's the warning. Different guys have different seductive qualities. Some guys actually get action by modeling the "jerk." Some guys have the advantage of looks. And, finally, some guys had it made all along but just needed to grow some balls and leave the house. If you are not one of these guys, the advice they offer you will damage, even destroy your appeal. There is a lot of crap in the pickup community; depending on what sort of person you are, different things will be crap.

This isn't a matter of "natural skill being tainted by PUA ideas." That's the least you need to worry about. If you want to get down to it, everyone is a "natural." It's just that most guys are "natural" supplicators! If you're going to be in this community, what you need is a good understanding of yourself and the ability to filter out what is unhelpful to you and adopt what is useful to you.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:00 am 
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I don't know if you're into mixed martial arts at all, but I am. So I'm just going to compare game to mma really quick.

In MMA, it's important to know how to fight while you're standing, (Kickboxing, Taekwondo, whatever) and while on the ground (Wrestling, jujitsu, etc.)

I have enough natural game that I was getting k-closes without much problem before I started using this stuff, but it helped me out tons. So while it's good to have natural game, there are bound to be situations you're gonna have trouble with that a pua wouldn't.

My old geography teacher said something that stuck with me for a while. "Being good is a curse because then you don't want to be great."

That's why I think a lot of PUAs outdo naturals. Because most PUAs were AFCs at the beginning. (You hear an awful lot about how some great PUAs were all virgin until they were in their mid-twenties)

So really, just work on both. I use my nifty, jedi, PUA mind trick stuff to create a situation, I use my natural game to improvise if I need to.


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I don't know if you're into mixed martial arts at all, but I am. So I'm just going to compare game to mma really quick.

In MMA, it's important to know how to fight while you're standing, (Kickboxing, Taekwondo, whatever) and while on the ground (Wrestling, jujitsu, etc.)

I have enough natural game that I was getting k-closes without much problem before I started using this stuff, but it helped me out tons. So while it's good to have natural game, there are bound to be situations you're gonna have trouble with that a pua wouldn't.

My old geography teacher said something that stuck with me for a while. "Being good is a curse because then you don't want to be great."

That's why I think a lot of PUAs outdo naturals. Because most PUAs were AFCs at the beginning. (You hear an awful lot about how some great PUAs were all virgin until they were in their mid-twenties)

So really, just work on both. I use my nifty, jedi, PUA mind trick stuff to create a situation, I use my natural game to improvise if I need to.
Some of this is sort of wrong. I was an AFC to start with, and became a PUA. But once you game girls that know the game as well, using routines and saying the stuff you say doesn't phase them out at all. And once you learn about incongruency, you realize if you can't pull off a lot of routines just because of the person you are. What if you say something but the girl totally doesn't go for it or she games you right back? It's like "wait a minute that's not what she's supposed to say". It seems like a lot of people think natural means they were naturally born good @ gaming so they don't need to apply any PUA stuff into it which isn't what it is at all. We use PUA stuff, just not the way mPUA's do (in routines) we can just look at someone and know how we're gonna open them (notice something they're wearing, say something about their appearance etc). All of us were AFC's in the beggining, but some people resort to using routines/canned openers while others resort to their confidence/inner game to pick up girls. It is good to work on both but It is hard to incorperate Natural game with a lot of "PUA" basics


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you mean you can either perfect inner game or perfect external game...

scripted game .. external game ("mPUA) - routines and canned or whatever you want to call it will get you girls .... you can be lethal with this kind of game. the problem is you have to memorize everything and you need to internalize it - you are using your brain and not your inuition or emotions. however you probably suck in relationships because you didn't face you emotional unhealthy problems.

inner game and building confidence (natural game) - self actualisation is just hard uncomfortable work but it will make you more confident and this wil affect your subcommunication. if you are a confident person you don't have to memorize things or learn techniques, you can be more in the moment.

with external game you are doing
with inner game you are ... being - not doing.

using inner game as a base will give you more succes because it affects you subcommunication - this will trigger more attraction switches in a womans brain.

i've learned and used all external game like most guys do i started out with MM...it took me some years to have my own inductive realisation about inner game ( after alot of failed relationships through pickup). just changing the way you think and getting in state .. just 2 things that will dramatically increase succes.

before inner game i learned all external techniques .. seriously in interactions i would use 20 different techniques conciously and about 30 routines. it's horrible because the more you think about ( techniques ) it the more you get inside in your head - and shut yourself off from being your best self or being in the moment.

nowadays im 90 % in inner game and like 10 in external game ... 10 is just some body language .. voice tonality .. and some openers.

inner game goes very deep .. you cannot explain it in a few minutes , there are so many factors and experiences to cover it's almost impossible to cover alot in a short time. if we boil it down to a surface level thing it's just being confident - interacting alot and being confortable with it and not being a doormat.

do realize that all mpua have a sick high end calibration .. the guys have so many experience that they often know how woman think and feel , you can only get this through experience and analyzing that experience until you fall into coma.

regarding inner game , psychology and self actualization .. im like at 20 % of the total 100 % ... i've read and worked through hundreds hours of materials - maybe even thousands... , i've analyzed myself for several hundred hours .. talking to psychologists about inner game for dozens of hours, talking to succesfull friends about psychology and cultural conditioning for hundreds of hours.

using psychology and reflecting on yourself to remove emotional blocks is very uncomfortable because every new mindset will change your reality - untill you have fully internalized it will feel uncomfortable about it. most guys do not want to mess with their believe system because it's so ingrained but also because changing their beleif system will make their lose their confidence - everytime you fuck with your believe system you will get outside your comfort zone.

many guys .. pua or mpua do not want to go through all the inner game just because it makes them uncomfortable - they have this delusional believe that they are the coolest guys on the planet. this belief will help you but if you really feel confident if you really grounded into well being you don't have to create all these mindsets.

inner game is like climbing mount everest .. but everytime you will climb it and everytime you are at the top you will suffer from oxygen deprivation .. maybe you fall off everytime you are at the top - most guys do not even want to climb because they are too afraid to fall
Quoted this from a thread I just read. Spot on


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