I simply don't want to give value



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:14 am 
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People always tell me to be high energy and when I'm in set my goal should be to make the people I'm talking to have a better night.

The problem is, I simply don't want to. Why the hell should I do that? When was the last time anybody ever came up to me and tried to make my day better? I'll tell you: Never.

I don't understand why I should go around giving things to people, making them feel good, etc. when nobody's ever done it for me.

Why do you guys do it?

(Just for reference, I've opened 650 sets in the last 5 months, so this is not a case of me making an excuse for not opening.)

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:34 am 
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When you give value to people, they like you and pursue the chance to chill with you. When you only take value, people don't want to be with you because you aren't contributing to a positive experience.

P.S. Damn, that's like 4 sets a day.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:44 am 
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Yeah thats a fuckload of sets! The reason you give value is BECAUSE nobody else does..as you say, nobody does, be the guy who does. The ultimate aim for you should be to have your inner game so tight that you dont need people to give you value, you already have it. You giving value is a demonstration of your high value. Dont just hand it out though, they gotta earn it!

Its part of having a strong frame...afcs will chuck out compliments and unearned praise like crazy to try and win over people...flip the script, they qualify to you!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:44 am 
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If he does not want to give value, that is fine. Don't convince him.

You should just go out and buy prostitutes because your only gonna have little success with pick up.

By the way, is not about how many set you open. Is about how many set you close. Get that straight.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:18 pm 
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I would have thought the incentive of a good time with a cute girl would've been enough.. If you cant find any good fluff runners try the midgame section

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:36 pm 
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It does strike me more as a self-mentality thing - I can see that the OP's viewpoint is he may feel like he's overdoing the social aspect...the question of: 'Why should I have to do this? nobody else does it for me?' can be answered thus:

Nobody gives a fuck about anybody else - certainly people they don't know.
And why should they give you any of their time? Just because you are there and talking to them? Unless you are gonna bring something to the table whereby the general SPAM is improved with you being a part of that/creating it, they aren't gonna invest any more time into interacting with you. They will have their interactions locked to their friends as they are comfortable with that - whilst at the same time some of the cute girls that baconlube mentions are gonna be crying out inside for someone to come a mix shit up, offer them something different.

If you are approaching sets with this negative feel of 'why the fuck I gotta do this?' the ladies WILL pick up on it - they are much better attuned to vibe than we are.

You do it because it's fun, playful and sexual.
You do it because you are partaking in the Game.
It's not supposed to be a chore, it's supposed to be FUN.

If you see it as a chore then perhaps try another approach - go for Apocalypse Openers or Shock & Awe - with the caveat that you are still gonna have to work this negative vibe out of yourself.

And WHY is it such a bad thing to have improved the mood and or general outlook of some people you don't know and may never meet again? Most people are MISERABLE CUNTS - noone is suggesting being a clown for their amusement, just be cool - like the fucking Fonz.
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