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When girls give you the "all you want is sex" speeches, usually one of two things are going on. 1. You are putting too much emphasis on sex when you are with her. I think you need to spend time with your lady without having sex or being sexual. Also encourage your girlfriend to go do thing without you while you do the same 2. Somebody (a friend or perhaps another guy) is influencing her thoughts. When women bring up random shit to ague with, a lot of times they get the idea from someone else.


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So the problem here is that she thinks she doesn't have to work for sex because she can get it from me anytime she wants?
It's even worse than that at this point. Not only CAN she get it whenever she wants, but she feels that she MUST get it all the time. It doesn't become a pleasurable experience to her anymore - it's more of a chore.

This is why she can't enjoy it the way she used to. Because the emotional pleasure isn't what is used to be anymore.

Read Ryan's reply to understand in depth how the female orgasm works, he makes an excellent point.


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You may well be doing the physical ACT of sex really well, mechanically speaking (although her being wet really doesn't mean anything - what matters is if she's having vaginal orgasms from penetration alone!)

However, the female orgasm is 100% MENTAL. The physical act is only a small part - it helps her get there, but she can get there in many other ways, even by you just TALKING to her and not even touching her!

If you want her to initiate sex, then you have to be doing foreplay for a lot longer, all the time. Foreplay can be ANYTHING that comes before actual penetration. This is includes, but is not limited to:

• Sending her dirty texts / emails to build anticipation for the evening to come later
• Whispering in her ear how sexy she looks to you, and describing all the naughty things you want to do to her
• Giving her a massage - teasing her by touching ALL the places around and near where she really wants to be touched for aaaaages before you actually touch her there

The idea is to get her horny and thinking about sex and wanting it, before you even try to initiate it. Often times, she'll even initiate it herself!

However good you are at the physical act, learning to leverage the mental aspect of female sexuality is a whole new world that very few men know how to do. I recommend David Shade's work, which you can find here: http://bit.ly/iFdky0 I recommend "Give Women Wild Screaming Orgasms" and also any of his material on Advanced Sexual Hypnosis, also stuff by David Cunningham.
Orgasms definitely aren't the issue. I make her cum over and over when we DO have sex. But my problem is gradually building up to having sex, since she's so resistant now. You make great points.


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When girls give you the "all you want is sex" speeches, usually one of two things are going on. 1. You are putting too much emphasis on sex when you are with her. I think you need to spend time with your lady without having sex or being sexual. Also encourage your girlfriend to go do thing without you while you do the same 2. Somebody (a friend or perhaps another guy) is influencing her thoughts. When women bring up random shit to ague with, a lot of times they get the idea from someone else.
Yep, I'm pretty sure #1 is my mistake. Almost every time I see her, I try and seduce her. But will she really regain her need for sex if I stop trying so much? I thought it's typically the alpha male's DUTY to seduce the girl.


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So the problem here is that she thinks she doesn't have to work for sex because she can get it from me anytime she wants?
It's even worse than that at this point. Not only CAN she get it whenever she wants, but she feels that she MUST get it all the time. It doesn't become a pleasurable experience to her anymore - it's more of a chore.

This is why she can't enjoy it the way she used to. Because the emotional pleasure isn't what is used to be anymore.

Read Ryan's reply to understand in depth how the female orgasm works, he makes an excellent point.
That makes total sense! Now that I look back, I have pushed for it too much. So I wanna ask this question again to you and get your input: Will stopping my seduction attempts for awhile make her horniness come back?


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Have a nice long talk with her and ask her what does she maen by that and what does she wants from this relationship and important for you to tell your position, give it a try :)

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So the problem here is that she thinks she doesn't have to work for sex because she can get it from me anytime she wants?
It's even worse than that at this point. Not only CAN she get it whenever she wants, but she feels that she MUST get it all the time. It doesn't become a pleasurable experience to her anymore - it's more of a chore.

This is why she can't enjoy it the way she used to. Because the emotional pleasure isn't what is used to be anymore.

Read Ryan's reply to understand in depth how the female orgasm works, he makes an excellent point.
That makes total sense! Now that I look back, I have pushed for it too much. So I wanna ask this question again to you and get your input: Will stopping my seduction attempts for awhile make her horniness come back?
She will definitely want you more if you take away sex for a while. You've taken the whole 'need to be alpha and seduce her 24/7' too far and it makes her wonder 'does he want me, or does he want the sex?'.

That's why she's resisting sex. To test you and see what you actually care about. Her body, or her?

So I'd say you take away the sex for a while, maybe a couple of weeks and MEANWHILE - you continue being a good boyfriend to her. Do the fun things you usually do, take her out someplace (or whatever you guys are doing) and just treat her right. Point is, this will show her that you care about HER and that you want HER, while at the same time it also shows you don't prioritize the damn sex all the time.

She'll definitely want you more if you pull if off right. She might even test you further and try seducing you a couple of times. Don't always GO for it like a horny dog. Sometimes it's OK for you to be tired/busy/not in the mood and turn her down.

^That will even further show her that sex is not your priority and you're not in this relationship for the physical advantage of it, but because you like the PERSON behind the sex . . . Her.

In a couple of weeks, you'll see that YOU will be her HB10 and she can't resist you and must seduce you all the time.

And sure, this IS going to be difficult since it requires a lot of discipline and self-control. But as long as you focus on the long term worthy reward you'll get out of it, you should manage just fine.


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Also, I gotta be a bit of a downer here and ask if you actually do care about her as a person or just as a person you can have sex with? I take the golden rule of pick up pretty seriously, and if she's right then you do have to reevaluate your situation.

I hope that you care about her more, and if so then I can't add more than what's already being said. Oh, actually I can add that you don't need to jump to defend your sexual prowess every time somebody says that something may be going on with her, whether its physical, emotional, or mental, that's keeping her from enjoying it as much as you think.


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Her exact words were "Sex seems like 80% of the relationship to you, and 20% to me."

I'm also the best lover she's ever had. So it's not like I can't satisfy her. I MORE than satisfy her, so I'm really stumped. Any suggestions/explanations? I need help guys.
I love this post, because it's a great reminder how clueless us guys can be sometimes even when we've landed the hotest girl around and "won" the game.

Sex is not the issue, women have sex with guys that are terrible all the time because they want to please them. If a girl ever tells you she's less or not interested in sex it can only ever be translated as:

"I don't feel special/appreciated anymore". period.

Now at this point you need to decide: A) do you love this girl and want to continue sharing your life with her (at least for now, but maybe longer) or B) you are over her and it's time to move on.

If B, the choice is simple. Man up and tell her the truth: "It's not working out and I'd like to see other people". It's hard, and sometimes it hurts, but its the mature and respectable thing to do.

If A, and you really have a connection with this girl and want to maintain it, then re-read the first part of Ryan's post. Relationships are WORK. and like any job, if all you do is put your feet up and collect a pay check, you will eventually get FIRED.

You have to constantly, I repeat CONSTANTLY remind a girl why she's there if you want her to stay. Even the most secure girls need reinforcement that you are their best option. That you are the one they want to be with because you satisfy them emotionally. (Physical is irrelevant unless you are just plain horrific).

So, take a top down look at how you treat her on a daily basis.

-When you are together, is hooking up your first priority, or do you constantly escalate till she puts out signals just like when you were first dating?

-How often do you kiss/touch/hug her?

-How often do you sincerely tell her you love her (or whatever your thing is) as opposed to just responding to her when she says/does it.

-How often do you plan activities around her interests instead of just telling her what you or both of you will be doing?

-When you don't see her for a while is it easy to ignore her, or do you txt, check with, think of etc...?

If the only time her presence matters to you is when you are horny or have a boner, than news flash you do only care about her for sex. Most relationships will get to this point, but only the ones that pull out of it are the ones that last.

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Her exact words were "Sex seems like 80% of the relationship to you, and 20% to me."

I'm also the best lover she's ever had. So it's not like I can't satisfy her. I MORE than satisfy her, so I'm really stumped. Any suggestions/explanations? I need help guys.
I love this post, because it's a great reminder how clueless us guys can be sometimes even when we've landed the hotest girl around and "won" the game.

Sex is not the issue, women have sex with guys that are terrible all the time because they want to please them. If a girl ever tells you she's less or not interested in sex it can only ever be translated as:

"I don't feel special/appreciated anymore". period.

Now at this point you need to decide: A) do you love this girl and want to continue sharing your life with her (at least for now, but maybe longer) or B) you are over her and it's time to move on.

If B, the choice is simple. Man up and tell her the truth: "It's not working out and I'd like to see other people". It's hard, and sometimes it hurts, but its the mature and respectable thing to do.

If A, and you really have a connection with this girl and want to maintain it, then re-read the first part of Ryan's post. Relationships are WORK. and like any job, if all you do is put your feet up and collect a pay check, you will eventually get FIRED.

You have to constantly, I repeat CONSTANTLY remind a girl why she's there if you want her to stay. Even the most secure girls need reinforcement that you are their best option. That you are the one they want to be with because you satisfy them emotionally. (Physical is irrelevant unless you are just plain horrific).

So, take a top down look at how you treat her on a daily basis.

-When you are together, is hooking up your first priority, or do you constantly escalate till she puts out signals just like when you were first dating?

-How often do you kiss/touch/hug her?

-How often do you sincerely tell her you love her (or whatever your thing is) as opposed to just responding to her when she says/does it.

-How often do you plan activities around her interests instead of just telling her what you or both of you will be doing?

-When you don't see her for a while is it easy to ignore her, or do you txt, check with, think of etc...?

If the only time her presence matters to you is when you are horny or have a boner, than news flash you do only care about her for sex. Most relationships will get to this point, but only the ones that pull out of it are the ones that last.

I agree with the above.

Usually when a chick says that all you want them for is sex, that usually means that all you want from them is sex. They have been trained and conditioned from birth not to let men use them for sex and they have a sixth sense that tells them when guys are. If she is saying that, it's cause you are doing that.

I agree with the earlier poster that it may be time to shit or get off the pot. If you sincerely want to have a real relationship with this gal you will need to back off the emphasis on sex and start doing other activities and connecting on other levels. And even if you are just in it for the poontang you will still need to back off on it and play it out as a casual FWB type thing.

Here's the real catch in all of this. Lets say you aren't just bragging and you really are the best she's ever had and you really do make her pussy drip whenever you want. SHE WILL DUMP YOU EVENTUALLY ANYWAY.

Even if you are biggest hottest stud in the entire world, she will dump you if she feels you are only interested in sex and are not fulfilling her needs for a full-service relationship.

Keep in mind most hot chicks end up dating and marrying beta-boy AFCs in the end.

Finding guys with hard dicks that give them orgasms is easy. Finding men that they actually connect with and that support and nurture them and put up with their shit is hard.

She may still bang you on the side and sneak into bathroom stalls in bars for a quickie now and then but she WILL dump you for another guy that fullfills her relationship needs even if he is the lesser lover.

Guys will stay with a woman if her only attribute is she is hot and great in bed. Women won't.

Your decision is whether you truly do love and appreciate her on multiple levels or if she is just a hot piece of poontang.

If she is just poontang then be honest with yourself and her. If she is much more than that then you need to start doing other things besides hustling her to get in her pants and start doing other activities with her and connecting on other levels.

If you connect on other levels the sexuality will still be there and will still be good.

It may be a bit less in frequency but as long as it is still good and still of adequate frequency it will be a more well-rounded and satisfying relationship for both of you.


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It's even worse than that at this point. Not only CAN she get it whenever she wants, but she feels that she MUST get it all the time. It doesn't become a pleasurable experience to her anymore - it's more of a chore.

This is why she can't enjoy it the way she used to. Because the emotional pleasure isn't what is used to be anymore.

Read Ryan's reply to understand in depth how the female orgasm works, he makes an excellent point.
That makes total sense! Now that I look back, I have pushed for it too much. So I wanna ask this question again to you and get your input: Will stopping my seduction attempts for awhile make her horniness come back?
She will definitely want you more if you take away sex for a while. You've taken the whole 'need to be alpha and seduce her 24/7' too far and it makes her wonder 'does he want me, or does he want the sex?'.

That's why she's resisting sex. To test you and see what you actually care about. Her body, or her?

So I'd say you take away the sex for a while, maybe a couple of weeks and MEANWHILE - you continue being a good boyfriend to her. Do the fun things you usually do, take her out someplace (or whatever you guys are doing) and just treat her right. Point is, this will show her that you care about HER and that you want HER, while at the same time it also shows you don't prioritize the damn sex all the time.

She'll definitely want you more if you pull if off right. She might even test you further and try seducing you a couple of times. Don't always GO for it like a horny dog. Sometimes it's OK for you to be tired/busy/not in the mood and turn her down.

^That will even further show her that sex is not your priority and you're not in this relationship for the physical advantage of it, but because you like the PERSON behind the sex . . . Her.

In a couple of weeks, you'll see that YOU will be her HB10 and she can't resist you and must seduce you all the time.

And sure, this IS going to be difficult since it requires a lot of discipline and self-control. But as long as you focus on the long term worthy reward you'll get out of it, you should manage just fine.
Ok well this has suddenly turned into a totally new type of problem. Being the idiot that I am, I made a stupid move by ignoring her all yesterday until she almost went to bed. We basically had small talk to try and get our minds off our disagreement. But in the meantime she was chatting it up all day with some guy she just met last week. And they now like each other. Everything you guys said was right... I just wish I would've realized all this sooner. I really DO care about her for HER, not her body. And I sent her a long message, saying that I want to step up and focus on the REAL foundations of our relationship (love and trust), not just trying to seduce her 24/7. But I don't know if I'm too late... according to my friend, my gf sent him a message that said she wants a "break" from our relationship and that she likes this new guy she's been talking to... so now I'm in a crisis, not knowing what to do. I've never come out on top with these potential breakup situations. I always screw something up when trying to save relationships, and I REALLY need advice at this point. I don't want to be the fool who was "too late."


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Have a nice long talk with her and ask her what does she maen by that and what does she wants from this relationship and important for you to tell your position, give it a try :)
That's basically what I wrote to her in my message. Read my reply to Little Panda. Lol I thought it would be unnecessary to type it out again.


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Also, I gotta be a bit of a downer here and ask if you actually do care about her as a person or just as a person you can have sex with? I take the golden rule of pick up pretty seriously, and if she's right then you do have to reevaluate your situation.

I hope that you care about her more, and if so then I can't add more than what's already being said. Oh, actually I can add that you don't need to jump to defend your sexual prowess every time somebody says that something may be going on with her, whether its physical, emotional, or mental, that's keeping her from enjoying it as much as you think.
I seriously do care about her for HER. I fell in love with her during these 8 months together, and I don't wanna screw it up by being a fool. I wrote more details in my reply to Little Panda.


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Her exact words were "Sex seems like 80% of the relationship to you, and 20% to me."

I'm also the best lover she's ever had. So it's not like I can't satisfy her. I MORE than satisfy her, so I'm really stumped. Any suggestions/explanations? I need help guys.
I love this post, because it's a great reminder how clueless us guys can be sometimes even when we've landed the hotest girl around and "won" the game.

Sex is not the issue, women have sex with guys that are terrible all the time because they want to please them. If a girl ever tells you she's less or not interested in sex it can only ever be translated as:

"I don't feel special/appreciated anymore". period.

Now at this point you need to decide: A) do you love this girl and want to continue sharing your life with her (at least for now, but maybe longer) or B) you are over her and it's time to move on.

If B, the choice is simple. Man up and tell her the truth: "It's not working out and I'd like to see other people". It's hard, and sometimes it hurts, but its the mature and respectable thing to do.

If A, and you really have a connection with this girl and want to maintain it, then re-read the first part of Ryan's post. Relationships are WORK. and like any job, if all you do is put your feet up and collect a pay check, you will eventually get FIRED.

You have to constantly, I repeat CONSTANTLY remind a girl why she's there if you want her to stay. Even the most secure girls need reinforcement that you are their best option. That you are the one they want to be with because you satisfy them emotionally. (Physical is irrelevant unless you are just plain horrific).

So, take a top down look at how you treat her on a daily basis.

-When you are together, is hooking up your first priority, or do you constantly escalate till she puts out signals just like when you were first dating?

-How often do you kiss/touch/hug her?

-How often do you sincerely tell her you love her (or whatever your thing is) as opposed to just responding to her when she says/does it.

-How often do you plan activities around her interests instead of just telling her what you or both of you will be doing?

-When you don't see her for a while is it easy to ignore her, or do you txt, check with, think of etc...?

If the only time her presence matters to you is when you are horny or have a boner, than news flash you do only care about her for sex. Most relationships will get to this point, but only the ones that pull out of it are the ones that last.
Yeah I'm realizing all of this. I'm seriously into her for herself, and want her to realize that. I'm trying to fix my screw ups if it's not too late already. I've got a brand new problem now (goodie for me) that I wrote about above. Any help would be appreciated man.


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I call shenanigans on this chick. She told you she likes some guy after knowing him for a week? Women don't make many decision in a short time span. She wouldn't be quick to jump over to him if she hadn't been considering leaving you for a while longer.

The best you can do is tell her that you understood what she said before, and are willing to set sex aside to prove that her body is not the only thing you care about. If she really is going to leave you because 7 days allowed a guy to appear so emotional and caring that she's willing to jump into his arms then I really wouldn't want to deal with her any more, personally.


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