I've seen my success rate goes up and down. Some nights I'll be very VERY confident (being with an entourage, or if I had a great day, or just because I was able to bring myself to that state) and at those times just when I think to myself "I must be DHVing to the roof right now" - I will feel a negative vibe from chicks.

My question is this - can you have "too much" self confidence? so much confidence that girls will think "this is not someone I will be able to manipulate or fuck with, so I better not get near him"?

For example - all the time I will see how most dudes come up to girls on the dance floor - with total lack of confidence, staring, getting closer and then backing off, looking to the sides, retreating with first sign of disinterest, holding a drink... complete AFC style.

And yet - when I will come FULL ON with total self confidence (facing the girl, making eye contact, smile, not back off quickly) I will get a NEGATIVE vibe that reads "who this guy thinks he is?? why isn't he behaving like a little pussycat, like the rest of the guys here???"

I would think that sets would blow wide open yet results are mixed... the total self confidence approach seems to work almost only with drunk or semi drunk girls...

I'll give you another example - last night I was dancing next to two chicks when I hear a guy tell the girls "would you like me to get rid of him?" (me, I guess he felt I'm a threat even that I was just dancing around) . I catch him by the neck, asking "what did you just say???" The guy is a head taller than me and much MUCH wider, he could have just pushed me away in a second if he wanted to. Instead he backed off like a pussy cat, and then his friend (same size as him) came near to me, holding a bottle of water, so I took the bottle from him, opened it, drank from it, and then gave it back to him as if it was my water.... you should have seen it, I totally tooled this guy. Then both of them literally ran away from the dance floor, as if I was some guy working for the mafia. Again - you would think that these two guys were total AMOGs, much bigger than me, very good looking and confident... you would think.

Anyway, so that's how much confidence I had last night.... and yet - I had a feeling that girls are looking at me as if I'm "too confident", someone who would never take their shit or maybe as someone who is a major player and that's a bad thing too? The point is - the super confidence approach is not working for me. What do you think is going on here?

The super confident style may come across to other girls as arrogance. Girls do not like arrogance. There is a big difference between being a general confident, cocky funny guy, and being a world class arrogant jerk. No offense meant here dude, but you sound like the second option. Ease it off a bit. Field test it. Report back to us.

You need to have a vulnerable side to you and reveal it. That's what makes "bad boys" so attractive

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Well... let me tell you something - I just came back from another 4 hours "in field"... and guess what?

This is an important post, one of these posts that could have been made 6-8 years ago, when this community was established.

I was thinking about it while holding the neck of an HB9, who happened to cross my airspace. I was standing behind her, grabbing her neck, going for the kiss. while she was dancing with me.

I was rejected. She went away... to a guy who was standing there alone, waiting to be approached by someone, someone who could control him, seduce him, do with him whatever she saw fit. It was all over his face... it was all over hers.

And while I was standing on the dance floor, engulfed by women, sending me IOI's, opening me.... but only to a point.

I was watching them as they were dancing with AFCs, pushing them away, then letting them back in. Touching them, then going away. Kissing them, only to turn around a moment later - while they were playing games with guys who know nothing about social dynamics, who know nothing about "the secret society".

Here is the truth - they ONLY go with guys who SUPPLICATE.

Being funny = supplicate.

Saying ANYTHING - supplicate.

45 degrees = SUPPLICATE.

Dancing with them = SUPPLICATE.

Stand there and SMILE. Be YOURSELF. Project unlimited power and confidence.... they will NOT be interested.

They WANT us to supplicate. If you don't - you have no chance getting into their pants.

45 degrees opening doesn't mean disinterest. It means - "I'm afraid from you, I will let you in my airspace, but only if YOU let me in first." I've been watching this all night.

And that's why knowing that you are a PICK UP ARTIST doesn't matter = it only CONFIRMS what they know ... that your life is GOVERNED by pussy.

They ALWAYS win, even when you think that you do. They would rather LOSE a great guy, if they know that they would be unable to control him.

How does it change the game? It doesn't.

Let them think that they won.... but know better.

Know that it is all a show, that you are just letting them THINK that they won. But realize that while you GAME them, you only give them what they want, while knowing that you are doing so.

Might I recommend some inner game? You're starting to sound like Dr. Evil.

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there is definitely something as "too much confidence" that will work against you. if you're confident, but not congruent and calibrated then things will most likely not go so well.

Are you a virgin?

Supplicate?
So basically. Girls want guys to beg for their pussy.

Have you tried it? Please field test Begging for their vagina's and report back. I am interested to read your lay report

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I think you may be overthinking these events just a weeeee bit.

Not every girl is going to be interested in your particular brand of seduction, whether you think of yourself as the king's s*** or not.

Perhaps you need to adapt to the girls in the environment. If you really just want to bone, than play the pussycat and see what happens.

i go open them with something like your stunning you im scott an there more intrested in the afc guy who stands there deciding if he should go for it or not absoulute bollocks.
I have good body language where afc dudes have poor
Im sober where as there pissed
Im always laughing an having a good time afcs are not
wheres the logic here i dont no but i do no one thing though nightgame is now over for me its absoulute garbage music is to loud waay to many pissed up idiots thinking there hard you get rejected by 1 girl they all seem to not be intrested after that ah well least i improved my confidence last night approaching the 9s who were out but really is de-moralizing
daygame from now on lets put my balls to the test

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Hey,

I wrote that post very late and a little drunk... but there is at least some truth in what I said. There are a few schools of seduction that see "being funny" etc as sort of supplication.

When you open with an opinion opener, asking for someone's advice, what is that if not putting them in a position of power? Maybe that's why they work so well.

I'll get back to this with a longer post. More tests today.

I dont think its about giving power but sharing power, which is a totally different thing. But hey AFC in recovery here...

You've misread that about humor. Being funny in order to get approval is supplication; it's being their entertainment monkey. Compare that to the guy who is constantly making jokes at their expense; he's not supplicating, is he? He's a fucking asshole. Now, if you can imagine those two extremes being on a line, there's a point right in the middle. That's the guy who makes jokes to ease tension, capture attention, and takes that attention into what he says next: something to further the seduction. He's the guy who sets up a running joke and knows when to call on it, to direct her attention and to interrupt her thought patterns. If she is eating out of your hand, would it be supplication because you're giving her food?

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