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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:34 pm 
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For a little bit I have been wondering about organizing a lair based on Crowley's AA or OTO.

What I mean by this in the AA sense, is that members only know the person above them, and the person below them. (This is based upon the idea that noone will "compete" with each other and instead will learn from someone slightly more advanced than them, while at the same time teaching someone one step lower than them.) Also, this method helps to not overwhelm the initiate, and give them the info they can handle based on the their "level".

Next, when coming to a more OTO style of initiation, it is much more a social group than AA types of organizations. This means, although they will be taught by someone one degree higher, they have the benefit of communicating with others much higher advanced than they are.

I feel both systems COULD be beneficial if used correctly. Also, this system would require a set of initiations and inherent in that is the effects each level conveys to each initiate. Oaths and requirements would be set, but they would not have in it, the incredible restrictions of most occult organizations. Instead, they would impart specific knowledge to each initiate depending on what level of attainment they have reached. This is just an idea I have been having and I would love to hear ALL of your opinions on this. Granted, the training would be much less vigorous than any occult organization, but by the same token, SOOOOO much of PU shit ties into "higher" dimensions of perception, that to understand each and not in some way equate both to me seems ignorant.

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For a little bit I have been wondering about organizing a lair based on Crowley's AA or OTO.

What I mean by this in the AA sense, is that members only know the person above them, and the person below them. (This is based upon the idea that noone will "compete" with each other and instead will learn from someone slightly more advanced than them, while at the same time teaching someone one step lower than them.) Also, this method helps to not overwhelm the initiate, and give them the info they can handle based on the their "level".

Next, when coming to a more OTO style of initiation, it is much more a social group than AA types of organizations. This means, although they will be taught by someone one degree higher, they have the benefit of communicating with others much higher advanced than they are.

I feel both systems COULD be beneficial if used correctly. Also, this system would require a set of initiations and inherent in that is the effects each level conveys to each initiate. Oaths and requirements would be set, but they would not have in it, the incredible restrictions of most occult organizations. Instead, they would impart specific knowledge to each initiate depending on what level of attainment they have reached. This is just an idea I have been having and I would love to hear ALL of your opinions on this. Granted, the training would be much less vigorous than any occult organization, but by the same token, SOOOOO much of PU shit ties into "higher" dimensions of perception, that to understand each and not in some way equate both to me seems ignorant.

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well this could be a good idea,but what happens after your done?you stay there as a teacher?it is true that a system would be good because it has some structure.But what about the money?who is paying for everything?this is kinda similar to Project Mayhem,making all those space monkeys...but don't know if it would work.


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For a little bit I have been wondering about organizing a lair based on Crowley's AA or OTO.

What I mean by this in the AA sense, is that members only know the person above them, and the person below them. (This is based upon the idea that noone will "compete" with each other and instead will learn from someone slightly more advanced than them, while at the same time teaching someone one step lower than them.) Also, this method helps to not overwhelm the initiate, and give them the info they can handle based on the their "level".

Next, when coming to a more OTO style of initiation, it is much more a social group than AA types of organizations. This means, although they will be taught by someone one degree higher, they have the benefit of communicating with others much higher advanced than they are.

I feel both systems COULD be beneficial if used correctly. Also, this system would require a set of initiations and inherent in that is the effects each level conveys to each initiate. Oaths and requirements would be set, but they would not have in it, the incredible restrictions of most occult organizations. Instead, they would impart specific knowledge to each initiate depending on what level of attainment they have reached. This is just an idea I have been having and I would love to hear ALL of your opinions on this. Granted, the training would be much less vigorous than any occult organization, but by the same token, SOOOOO much of PU shit ties into "higher" dimensions of perception, that to understand each and not in some way equate both to me seems ignorant.

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do you need a lot of money? :roll:

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You wouldn't need really much money to start. You could accept donations but whatever. With a more OTOIsh organization, its like a community with levels. You would have no need to stay if you didn't want to, but after advancing within the community you would probably want to. I was thinking that basically since there is so much in PU, having an organized system of attainment could be beneficial to alot of students.


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You wouldn't need really much money to start. You could accept donations but whatever. With a more OTOIsh organization, its like a community with levels. You would have no need to stay if you didn't want to, but after advancing within the community you would probably want to. I was thinking that basically since there is so much in PU, having an organized system of attainment could be beneficial to alot of students.
go watch fight club.Maybe the same would happen,most students would become just space monkeys,going from one slavery to the next.To much power can make the average person crumble


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fight club is good but i think pick up is quite different to that and its not a film

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For a little bit I have been wondering about organizing a lair based on Crowley's AA or OTO.

What I mean by this in the AA sense, is that members only know the person above them, and the person below them. (This is based upon the idea that noone will "compete" with each other and instead will learn from someone slightly more advanced than them, while at the same time teaching someone one step lower than them.) Also, this method helps to not overwhelm the initiate, and give them the info they can handle based on the their "level".

Next, when coming to a more OTO style of initiation, it is much more a social group than AA types of organizations. This means, although they will be taught by someone one degree higher, they have the benefit of communicating with others much higher advanced than they are.

I feel both systems COULD be beneficial if used correctly. Also, this system would require a set of initiations and inherent in that is the effects each level conveys to each initiate. Oaths and requirements would be set, but they would not have in it, the incredible restrictions of most occult organizations. Instead, they would impart specific knowledge to each initiate depending on what level of attainment they have reached. This is just an idea I have been having and I would love to hear ALL of your opinions on this. Granted, the training would be much less vigorous than any occult organization, but by the same token, SOOOOO much of PU shit ties into "higher" dimensions of perception, that to understand each and not in some way equate both to me seems ignorant.

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The basic idea isn't new, that's why PU is a relatively a new industry.
If you look through out history, how almost all big ideas developed from the draw board to multi-million corporations. Every inventor had an idea and "wanted" to give it out to help people, but when he saw that it is profotable he called the managers to sold his stuff at the lowest expences possible, which reduces quality and usefulness of the product and when someone else also saw money in this and started to sell it, it became even more important to sell it under lower expences, cause of the competiotion.
Now that's for stuffs that we have around for centuries, but I think that with emerge of hundreds of PU companies worldwide, PU is going into the same direction.

I think that your idea is pretty original, but is it good for the PU. No
The basic idea is to help people on the same level (sharing all of the experiences from everybody and then comparing the results to reach the highest potencial, we're all in the same boat :D), if you put hierarchy into PU system the same stuff will happen as it happened with all of the other products, the quality of learning'll go down
plus considering, that half of the people that go into PU are desperate and you make idols for them like the ones that they "can't" suppose to reach they'll be more fucked up and... Well you see where I'm aiming.

But the idea is not bad, it just needs some reconstrucion :D

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RSD already do this. Hence why many people refer to them as a "cult."

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