Obviously new here. Decided to join after reading The Game.

I'd consider myself a good looking lad, but my confidence with girls is not great if im honest. I think I almost always get IOIs when i'm out, but almost never go after the girls that give them off. I want to start opening everynight i'm out now. Setting goals of at least 10 openers a night. Hopefully I can learn plenty from you guys.

Cheers now.

Hi FancyLad welcome!

What do you mean by when you talk to girls you think you get IOI's out of them? What do they do to get your attention i mean? Do they do Kino (touching on the arm for example), do they laugh when you tell a funny story even if it aint? That stuff.

Also, just a bit of personal experience on my side in relation to getting good in game. You say you want to pull off at least 10 openers a night? You're just starting out so whats the hurry? I know from personal experience that your ambitious and you want to go out there and you want to game all the girls you like in the club or bar or wherever, but it takes time. Reading "The Game" gives you an awesome insight into what the seduction world and what the pickup community is like and what it offers, but you have to learn to crawl before you can walk.

If you're confidence is not up to par then it would be a good idea to overcome AA (approach anxiety) first and then take it from there, thats what i'm doing. 10 Openers per night is a good goal, but it might be a little overwhelming if you're just starting out and want to open in a club.

Finally, I've been in that situation many times were I get IOI's from a girl and I dont do anything about it, it makes you feel very doubtful about yourself and you end up question your own abilities and even yourself because you didnt have the courage to do anything, i'm sure alot of people have been there too. It actually happened this weekend when I started approaching to get over my AA and I was chatting to this girl, I knew what to do, but I knew I wasnt there to get her number or stay for long so I bounced.

Hope my advice helps you man

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication."

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Hey man, thanks for the reply.

I mean when im standing at the bar or dancing im getting lots of eye contact with them ( like for more than 3 seconds) but i wont open with them. Very rarely do I open to a girl, i'll wait till they come to me, which is vary rare.

Yeah 10 was a bit high, but like you say I'm eager to get out there and improve myself. Im extremely confident, just not when im trying to open. It's something that needs to be sorted. I think the anxiety comes from knowing that I will run out of things to say after an opener, making me look like an idiot!

Thanks a bunch though man!

It seems to me that if your getting all these IOI's from them and your waiting for them to come to you, your coming off as anything but interesting to them and your not giving off any value or demonstrating any to show your interest in them. Yes it is very rare in some instances where a hot girl actually opens you, you need to DHV (demonstrate higher value) when you get these IOI's and take advantage of it, like, what are you going to say to the girls that would want to make them invest in you and get to know than any other dude that has tried to attract or even talk to them that night? Once you show them that you're not like the rest of the jocks who they normally get hit on by, you're different and you arent affected by their looks no matter how gorgeous they may be, they dont faze you.

Dont be too hard on yourself man, when I started I wanted to reach 50 approaches on my first day I only got 2 but atleast it was something better than nothing. You can overcome your AA even by just randomly talking to people in the street, shops, malls etc...just so your conditioning yourself to no longer be afraid to talk to women and that they wont rip your head off when you want to talk em.

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Lucky you ! Well, good looks are a good advantage in the game, but you have to be the man a girl likes more than just 5 minutes after they met him.

Don't worry if you start bad, even the masters had to work they way from the ground.

I had serious mistakes sometimes, but I don't blame myself. I learn from them and move on !

Welcome and have fun.

Cheers for the input guys. Feeling very welcomed here.