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My experience is certainly different from Mystery's but . . .

I've written "Taxi Driver" on my profile and this is what I tell some people when they ask, "What do you do?" . . . So I am guilty of lying. I suppose things were much easier when I was a student. "A student", is in most cases a universally understood, respected, and well accepted title. The stereotypes in the US might be a bit different but around the World, a "student" is hardworking, curious, excited to learn new things, and is usually strapped for cash. It's a great way to meet new people and also bargain your way towards cheaper lodgings. (I once bargained a 4 dollar a night bungalow to a 2 dollar super bargain.)

When you 'grow up' a bit, things can get a bit more complicated. (At least it did for me) There have been countless number of times when I traveled through some less affluent countries where I spotted some snot-nosed kid who proudly proclaimed to curious locals that he made $xxx,xxx. Sure, this could be the truth but what gives that kid the right to go to some far away country and make the locals feel small? Is it the locals' for not having the right mindset? They can't take the truth? Either way, sometimes when you tell the truth, you lose the potential for a connection.

Most people befriend those only who are in their socio-economic class Sure, there are physical limitations such as if one friend happens to be a trust fund baby and wants to go to London for a weekend and the other can't possibly afford the time or money . . . it ain't going to happen. But above the physical limitations exist boundaries created only by THOUGHT. This is about as immature as a bunch of 3rd graders belittling the poor kid whose parents can't afford a pair of Nike's. I don't see any reason to perpetuate this idiocy. Instead of blaming others for their lack of an open mind, I'd rather work with them(yes, I suppose you'd call this a lie) to create a connection first. And all it usually amounts to is a playful banter. You don't show ANYBODY "Spinal Tap" for the first time and tell them, "Hey guys! This is a total spoof! This isn't a REAL band, it's a joke!" . . .No, you tell them, "I'm excited that you get to see this Rocku-mentary for the first time. Really . . . the greatest band ever . . ." - and let them figure it out through laughter.


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My experience is certainly different from Mystery's but . . .

I've written "Taxi Driver" on my profile and this is what I tell some people when they ask, "What do you do?" . . . So I am guilty of lying. I suppose things were much easier when I was a student. "A student", is in most cases a universally understood, respected, and well accepted title. The stereotypes in the US might be a bit different but around the World, a "student" is hardworking, curious, excited to learn new things, and is usually strapped for cash. It's a great way to meet new people and also bargain your way towards cheaper lodgings. (I once bargained a 4 dollar a night bungalow to a 2 dollar super bargain.)

When you 'grow up' a bit, things can get a bit more complicated. (At least it did for me) There have been countless number of times when I traveled through some less affluent countries where I spotted some snot-nosed kid who proudly proclaimed to curious locals that he made $xxx,xxx. Sure, this could be the truth but what gives that kid the right to go to some far away country and make the locals feel small? Is it the locals' for not having the right mindset? They can't take the truth? Either way, sometimes when you tell the truth, you lose the potential for a connection.

Most people befriend those only who are in their socio-economic class Sure, there are physical limitations such as if one friend happens to be a trust fund baby and wants to go to London for a weekend and the other can't possibly afford the time or money . . . it ain't going to happen. But above the physical limitations exist boundaries created only by THOUGHT. This is about as immature as a bunch of 3rd graders belittling the poor kid whose parents can't afford a pair of Nike's. I don't see any reason to perpetuate this idiocy. Instead of blaming others for their lack of an open mind, I'd rather work with them(yes, I suppose you'd call this a lie) to create a connection first. And all it usually amounts to is a playful banter. You don't show ANYBODY "Spinal Tap" for the first time and tell them, "Hey guys! This is a total spoof! This isn't a REAL band, it's a joke!" . . .No, you tell them, "I'm excited that you get to see this Rocku-mentary for the first time. Really . . . the greatest band ever . . ." - and let them figure it out through laughter.
The other day I asked a fellow student what he got on an exam we had in class. He reluctantly answered "99" with a upward intonation and "heh...sorry" sort of expression. He knew that having such a high grade would alienate himself from most of the rest of the class. He didn't lie, but he wasn't snot-nosed about it, either. I think any reasonable person still wouldn't feel bad around him since he was clearly expressing that he didn't want to seem better than the rest of the students because of his 99. In fact, I found myself feeling a little sorry for him for having to feel somewhat shameful for being so "different." There were only two people in that class who got a 99 on this particular exam, and I was the other guy (lol) so I switched the frame by enthusiastically telling him and high-fiving him.

Even if you're on a different level - perhaps financially - from someone else, I still don't think lying is completely necessary to connect with them. Even if I didn't have a 99 on that exam, I wouldn't feel any less alienated by my friend's 99.


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The other day I asked a fellow student what he got on an exam we had in class. He reluctantly answered "99" with a upward intonation and "heh...sorry" sort of expression. He knew that having such a high grade would alienate himself from most of the rest of the class. He didn't lie, but he wasn't snot-nosed about it, either. I think any reasonable person still wouldn't feel bad around him since he was clearly expressing that he didn't want to seem better than the rest of the students because of his 99. In fact, I found myself feeling a little sorry for him for having to feel somewhat shameful for being so "different." There were only two people in that class who got a 99 on this particular exam, and I was the other guy (lol) so I switched the frame by enthusiastically telling him and high-fiving him.

Even if you're on a different level - perhaps financially - from someone else, I still don't think lying is completely necessary to connect with them. Even if I didn't have a 99 on that exam, I wouldn't feel any less alienated by my friend's 99.
1. Great! The next time we decide to game YOU, we'll know that it's OK to tell YOU the complete truth.

2. So a non-reasonable person (to you) is a moron (who you'd never like to connect with)?

3. An exam in a tight knit society of students is peanuts. Get out to the real World and tell me how things work out for you. I've seen GLOBAL business deals break due to cultural issues that stem from a MORON'S mom having some issue with the Japanese military sticking a pole up her husband's ass. I know we're only chatting about "PU" . . .still, why create WALLS when we have the power to break the down?

4. I'm not going to google every study out there but age makes a difference. For some reason, there seems to be an age where people figure out that OTHERS and NOT like you. By the way, for a reason I still can't figure out, Hobbit seems to have achieved this understanding at a young age.

5. It's very easy to say that, "Well, I am this way or that way so I should treat others accordingly . . ." It's another level to ACCEPT that others are different from who you are and to treat them according to WHO THEY ARE.


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LYING (and cheating) allows the man to increase his chances of getting laid
more. That is the a law of physics. We see it all the time. And that is
why so many men do it. I'm wondering: why all the hubbub about it being
EVIL. Isnt it merely another strategy to use in a religiously monogamous
biased society like the western culture we live in? If I say Im christian
to a christian, do I not get more opportunity to fuck? Is this lying under
oath? no. Is this lying for personal benefit? certainly. Is there
something wrong with personally benefitting from a relationship?

without getting religious on me or moralistic based on mere cultural bias,
can you explain WHY its not good to lie? From a player point of view.
I missed that one haha! The posts i read about making up routines, said to make them about you and your real life. He also explained why nobody can do the Mystery Method right, and fail at it, quite well.

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to a christian, do I not get more opportunity to fuck?
By the way, Mystery is wrong here. Nothing gets a Christian more tied up in a knot than to tell her that you're a "Struggling Christian" who's got some issues with faith.

The foundation of every religion is a lie. Compared to the lies perpetuated by delusional but 'powerful' guessers, ^this type of shit is peanuts. At least there's some humor involved with the "Struggling Christian" gig. . . at least you're not lying to yourself . . .


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i have to say, Chief, im REALLY dissapointed in you. i read LOTS of your stuff, you have amazing insights and views when it comes to the game but for you not to give props to mystery, that's a big let down.

i mean LOTS of people became who they are because of mystery. lots of major names in the community wouldnt have gotten to that level if it wasn't because of mystery. he pretty much "invented " pua. ( i hope you people reading this are smart enough to know what i mean by "invented". you can make the argument that 90% of us wouldn't be in the community if it wasn't because of him.

one thing i really fucking HATE are people that are ungrateful bastards. ( im not saying you are, chief ). give the man props. sure his methods are way outdated ( personally i go direct, especially since i read one your ( chief ) posts about being direct and expressing sexual interest right off the bat...) but i mean dont sit there and talk shit about the guy. and that picture that you have on there with mystery pushing the stroller while the girl smokes, i mean come on man, really? is that supposed to mean anything? is that supposed to mean that the man is pussy whipped? come on dude, REALLY? lol

IM NOT A MYSTERY FAN BOY IN ANY WAY. i dont really like the guy, but i respect him and what he's done for 90% of people in the community today?


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i have to say, Chief, im REALLY dissapointed in you. i read LOTS of your stuff, you have amazing insights and views when it comes to the game but for you not to give props to mystery, that's a big let down.
I'm sure hes heartbroken

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i mean LOTS of people became who they are because of mystery. lots of major names in the community wouldnt have gotten to that level if it wasn't because of mystery. he pretty much "invented " pua. ( i hope you people reading this are smart enough to know what i mean by "invented". you can make the argument that 90% of us wouldn't be in the community if it wasn't because of him.
Your right, because of Mystery now a lot of people go out dressed like a clown, perform lame magic tricks, and care way to much about who lies more.

And most people who are good would have gotten better FASTER if they never fooled with MM, I know I would have.
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And most people who are good would have gotten better FASTER if they never fooled with MM, I know I would have.
You have no proof. But most people started on it or at least found it through The Game/Mystery. So if MM was never about, these people would have never found out about it. Soooo they would have gotten great! People always hate random things so they can say 'yeah. . . it held me back. Id be better i swears!'

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He did a lot to advance pick up in a general sense and can't really be faulted for his shortcomings and errors after the fact.

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ok first of all I didn't read all the responses but I'd like to comment on couple of them that caught my attention:

1) Hobbit commenting on how MM helps you get off the couch-Totally agreed.

2)Chief saying that MM damages you in both short and long-term-Disagreed. Most MM guys switch to other methods to improve inner-game etc... so it does help in long-term.

If they do not switch-probably they are getting success they want with MM-so what's the problem?

Short-term-already mentioned-giving you motivation to get out of the couch is already achievement.

About inner-game being creepy. To me all inner-game is:

1)Being confident in your awesomeness

2)Not give a shit about rejections, flakes etc.

3)Keep approaching.

Although MM is not something I'd recommend(because its complicated) Mystery(alongside with David Deanglo and Ross Jeffries) certainly deserves respect for all the work he's put in it and for the number of guys in PU community who improved their personal lives directly or indirectly trough MM.


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Most MM guys switch to other methods to improve inner-game etc... so it does help in long-term.
How does MM get credit for the improvements that come from other systems?
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Although MM is not something I'd recommend(because its complicated)
It's complicated, just like how astronomy was complicated under the geocentric model :roll:
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im sorry but...
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