Time has shown that both direct game and indirect game can work. Do what works. Why debate this esoteric shit?

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on the subject of not lying, you tell me if lying EVER takes the place of saving someone from the awful truth. if so, then call me a lier

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So if MM is soo bad, then what s the best? I see no major logical flaws in his method, but multiple methods work best, what else should I augment into my method to make it work better?

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I'll go direct every time over indirect (if the context allows it).

MM looks perfect on paper, and it does work as long as everything goes according to plan. However, it's so round about. Why waste tons of time and lie (you don't really need directions or the time) when you can achieve the same, if not better results going direct?

I'll choose the method that is the quickest, most efficient, and effective. If I approach a girl, tell her she's pretty, and she smiles/gets a little embarrassed and reciprocates back, I know she's attracted to me within the first 2 seconds. There's nothing more honest or effective as that. And really, she's not stupid. You're talking to her because you think she's hot. Otherwise you'd ask the old person next to you for directions.

I really don't want to talk to her forever or wait until her best friend tells me that she likes me before I let her know, "hey! I like you!"

If I can go out direct, number close within minutes, get dates, and get laid. Why go with a method that is slower or not as effective?

Am I the only one who thinks you need both inner game AND outer game?

Let me make an anology with my MMA training. Anyone who trains MMA will know that heart is very important if you want to succeed. You need to be someone who works hard, who's able to take pain, who peserveres and who doesn't let fear control him. In short, you need to have balls. But balls is not enough. There is a wealth of techniques you are taught in MMA so vast that you would be a fool not to learn them. Now say someone has been in over 100 streetfights but never had any training or learnt any techniques. Now I would go as far to say that guy could be easily beaten up by someone who has never been in a streetfight in his life but trains MMA and has very good technique.

It's the same with pickup, I think that inner game is very important, you need to be someone with inner strength, courage, leadership qualities such as being decisive and be someone who is unaffected by external forces such as rejection. Again in short, you need to have balls, because you cannot fake having an attractive personality for long. But why not learn the techniques as well? You could be the best person in the world for that particular girl you have your eye on but neither of you are ever going to find out if you can't get your foot in the door. And that's what things like the Mystery Method is good for, getting your foot in the door.

Lets take the anology from the guy a few posts above me about the job vacancy. Now you might be the most enthusiastic, hardworking and skilled person for the job you are going for, but that means NOTHING if you don't have a good CV and a good interview. Someone who has been trained on writing a good CV and doing a good interview will get the job over you every time, even if you are more skilled at the job than him. It's the same with pickup, a girl who is being approached multiple times a day will not think twice about brushing you off if you don't have a good approach.

I agree with the OP, although the Mystery Method is looked down upon by the new generation of PUA's it has some brilliant techniques. Little things such as the false time constraint and locking in have made a huge difference to my game. Although I usually learn my inner game from David Deangelo's material and my outer game from Adam Lyons I still think as a whole MM is very underrated. I think to be good at anything you need 3 things.

1. Good information
2. Good experience
3. The right attitude

Learn the techniques, but instead of following them blindly find out the theory behind them, find out why they work and if they make sense to you go out and try them, learn from your mistakes and don't get demotivated from initial failures, perservere. Do these things and you'll get good IMO.

Let me ask you something. Every time you ask someone "how are you" do you actually care how they are? Every time someone asked how you were and you answered "fine" were you really fine? Every time you turned around to someone and said "nice day huh?" did you really want to know whether they think it's a nice day or not? We use little lies all the time as an excuse to start a conversation. We call it "making conversation." Now I know the things I've just mentioned are tiny little lies but thats because its to make conversation with someone we know, but to make conversation with someone we don't know is a little harder so we might use something like the opinion opener or ask if she knows the name to a song. There's nothing wrong with using an excuse to start a conversation with someone. What's more, theres nothing wrong with looking for hints that she finds you attractive before making your move.

grizzler. . . this isnt an outer/inner game debate lol. . .

I like all of mystery's stuff APART from his M3 model, going back to the original post. He taught a lot about how to frame your lifestyle, dreams, ambitions to a point where the girl can understand you and relate. He had a good 3second rule, he also seemed like the first to take social proof seriously and use it effectively.

But later on and the more commercial it became (as in making his ideas and method different from others) the weirder it got and taking things too seriously). On a side note, the M3 model wasnt even created by Mystery, he says so in his posts

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Well if you read through the thread those arguing against the Myserty Method arent arguing against the techniques themselves but are criticizing it for being technique based as opposed to natural. The particular post I quoted was also criticising indirect approaches for being deceptive. Looks like your standard natural game vs technique based game debate to me.

no theyre criticising it for the mystery method techniques not techniques themselves. and indirect/direct has nothing to do with routines/natural game/techniques

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I don't ask "how are you" unless I actually care how the person is. I never say things like "nice day" because I think that's a boring, shit way to start a conversation. I never ask people's ages unless it comes up as part of an interesting conversation, because I don't find it relevant. I NEVER use an "excuse" to start a conversation with random people on the street - either I ask them for information I actually need "do you know where X is?" or I notice something about them that I'm specifically curious about "I have to ask about the pink furry hat...is there a gay cowboy shop around here or something?" or something happens around us that naturally starts a conversation "did you see that guy fall over? We should probably go help him up!" etc.

IF it happened that I got into a conversation naturally through some kind of situational opener such as the ones above, then that would be ok, however MOST of the time, I'll see an attractive woman and want to approach her purely because I find her attractive. In that case, rather than inventing a LIE to get her into polite conversation, I prefer to save time and energy by immediately stopping her and stating that I find her attractive and want to get to know her. This allows her to decline if she is not interested, and stick around if she is. It's that simple!

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^Stick around for what? He who's the most efficient, non-lying pick up artist?

1. Interacting with other HUMAN BEINGS is not an assembly line.
2. People are drawn to each other by MANY MORE factors than direct verbal expression of intent + attraction.
Are you trying to pick yourself? It 'strikes' many women just fine.
^Change YOU with ME. . . that's what we're really talking about isn't it? And if this is the case, it doesn't really matter what the hell is coming out of your mouth.

Overall, age makes a difference. Typically, young men have little going for them other than a boner and willingness to use it liberally; if this is the case, you might as well as streamline the process and sell it as efficiently as you can.

this is true.

I stopped because I got over asking the same shit over and over lol and it felt fake as fuck to me, not them. sadly it worked really well

But every new girl still finds it actually really fresh conversation given you dont use the pathetic mainstream openers.

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Kasabi just goes against what everyone else says and somehow is right. I bet he was one of the first to go anti-MM too back in the day.

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NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

How many times is this going to be debated? Lets just pick one of the debate threads and sticky it so a new one doesn't have to be made every week.

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All methods are good, what i do not not like about mystery method are the openers i think they are kind of weak, the magic tricks or cube etc... but like him or not he created the community...And a lot of people following his methods have been succesful and change their lifes and income, style, taylor dundern, cajun every guru comes from mystery or Ross the nlp guy whatever, me i like David Dangelo the best... But with mystery i learn about dhv, 3 second rule, ioi, shit test, leaning, etc... etc... etc...

Why people like to criticize and hate, you can learn from everybody, Indirect works and direct works i have use them both... There is not a monopoly of ideas, you guys look lower value in my opinion trashing someone else style... I love sinn and his style but is such a turn off when he talks crap about mystery, who taught him...

All good puas are naturals or come from the family line of mystery, or davind dangelo PERIOD( i am a natural got a bit of help with dangelo ) Out!

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