the fact that a lot of people misuse/misunderstand negs does not mean that negs are useless. gaming a stipper, hired gun, or 10 is very difficult without negs. yes it is possible without negs, but why go through all the extra effort when negging can get you there quicker.

just because YOU don't believe a girls' value is higher than yours doesn't mean that she thinks the same. statistically, if you are a guy approaching a girl in a social setting, the simple fact that you approached will lower your "value" below hers.

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agreed.

On another note why are people bashing on negs so badly? bc they are a krutch? in one opinion they may be. but remember people have different methods, different things work for different people. Is a growing group in this forum just using one method or one extremley similar method?

There is not one universal frame that works for everyone, good job your frame works for you. cool. not everyone is like that. Everyone would critque the frame of someone like Cobra commander Phil but if anyone has seen that. it was baffling what he was doing. his eye contact was off, his voice was off in many parts but when it was all put together it was an eye opener for me on how big a spectrum gaming could be, and what other methods could be out there.

Whats the next method this forum is going to bash on? speed seduction sounds like a likely target.

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Inner game is the core, outer game is just an expression of it

Do negs work? Yes
Does constant farting make it easier to move through a crowd of models? Yes

But there are better ways to deal with the problem...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

that is a funny analogy. never heard it before.

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Just made it up... Thanks man!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I picked up a few hired guns using 60's method without the use of negs and it was pretty fucking easy.

Going off topic , I kept complaining about 60s method in your other thread , but I worked it into my game and it helped me a hell of a lot . So yeah sorry .

1. The trouble with negs is that most guys don't even know what it is.

2. Most guys think up negs from a linear scale. "She is hot . . . so I will tell her that she is NOT hot. (One way or another)

3. Most guys are in no position to neg as they are losers.

A "neg" is simple way to SHUT HER THE FUCK UP and comply with what ever you have to say for the entire night or your lifetime. A neg is only a band-aid if you're a loser and you're running a scheme. Negs work because so many women are JUST LIKE so many guys on this board . . . insecure and holding tight to some little perception that make them believe that they have a position in life.

How many threads here start off with, "I am this, I am that, I have game, I, I, I, . . . but ehhhh . . . so do you think I should try the cube with the girl I've known for 5 years and I think she likes me but I can't really be sure but I'm mac daddy so I bet she likes me but I can't really be sure, blah, blah, bah . . ."? - (These are kids in NO POSITION to neg)

Here's a neg:

I try to joke with a girl about her losing her handbag and instead of laughing, she gets insecure and tells me something like, "Yeah, you're so funny. That's why you're at the bar all by yourself." - I tell her, oops . . . sorry . . . bad joke, then a tall blonde that I've been gaming previously comes up from the dance floor and sticks her tongue down my throat in front of the first girl. This is a neg.

Here's a neg:

A lead singer of a band ignores me (as a neg) during the after hour party and when I give her manager (definitely less pretty than her) a lot of attention, the singer tries to stick herself into the conversation left and right. I think I told her that she was being rude and when she kept on trying to get more attention I told her that we were discussing 'short sell strategies' out loud and asked if she had anything to add. SHE SHUT THE FUCK UP . . . but who do you think I went home with that night? The manager or the rocker girl?

There is no reason to be a dick through life but there's also no reason to let little girls who didn't develop past age 10 to behave like a Disney princess all night long. You're the man . . . she's the insecure 10 year old. There's nothing wrong with letting her know the truth. Unless of course you are in fact a script reading moron telling her that her shoes look funny.

This

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

In my opinion, negs are just a minor tool you can use to bring a girl to your level if you notice she is feeling superior to you.

However, I think they should only be used by beginners when starting.
Problem with negs is that you are accepting that the girl is giving you not enough attention for a legitimate reason so you try to "suggest" she is not that cool.

It works, but moving forward your frame should be strong enough that you have the confidence that she will be atracted to you as the interaction continues.

So, with a good frame, negs should be not required.



PS: Never neg a girl more than twice, if you neg her a couple of times and she is still unresponsive it is better to eject.
If you keep negging her, she is going to totally see through your ruse and you will lose tons of value.

PS2: When starting I actually used negging and teasing so much that I got a couple of girls and even my sister angry with me. It will take a couple of months for someone to calibrate correctly.

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Every man dies but not every man truly lives

I can think of at least 2 situations where negs can be useful

1) Girl negs you...or tries to lower your value somehow...you can cut the thread with a neg

2) Girl DOES have higher value. HB 10's...who are center of attention in their group...models, actresses basically girls who are told they're beautiful 1000 times a day. You might want to differentiate by noticing imperfection.


P.S. throwing a neg once in a while and being a dick are different things.

i disagree with this, i think you should first use positive validation, THEN a neg. its sort of like long term push and pull.

if a girl already perceives you as higher value than her then negging her even in a playful way will have bad results. im a pretty attractive male so i find using positive validation initially works very well. then once i have her feeling good about her self and have built positive emotions i take it away, this puts her in a state of limbo and builds attraction.

I agree with most posters here that neg's don't work. In fact I find them to be counter-productive. Your aim should be to put her in a sexual state in all your interactions with her. If you make her feel self-conscious and unsexy then sex will be the last thing on her mind. Something like "say it don't spray it" will just make a girl feel disgusting and the last thing she'd be thinking about is sex. Don't underestimate your power to make a girl feel ugly. And don't assume that just because a girl is hot she has a big ego. Assumptions are the mother of all fuck-ups.

I prefer Kezia's method of double-sided compliments. You say something like "you look great, but if you did X with your hair you would look smoking hot". Now with this you've been nice by telling her she looks good,so she can't get offended, but you also told her there is room for improvement. I believe this works because girls are always trying to look the best they possibly can, and if you tell her one look is better than the other she will always try to look better for you. For the same reason if she asks you for your preference on which of her hairstyles look better or whether one outfit is better than the other then ALWAYS have a preference. Never say "both look fine" or "you'll look good in anything." Your opinions and preferences define you, and I believe you can be alpha without putting people down.