I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this as it covers different aspects of the game but I'll throw it in the mix anyway.

What normally gets the better results gaming out and about or online gaming ie dating sites?

I have heard that it can be easier using online dating sites as you're being very direct with them as it's a dating site. Apparently many people put something on the lines like this in the first message:


Below is text from JSmooth
Being direct and to the point with what you want online is a large key to success on the Internet primarly with dating sites. I don't use any fancy openers or lines when it comes to meeting and attracting women online I'm just up front about what I want.

Here recently I put up a Match.com profile just last Wednesday. I have already setup 5 dates been on 4 of them, bounced all them to my place after the initial meeting place, F-closed 3, Did everyone but F-Close the other one, the final date is tonight. I'm making her dinner at her place for our first date!

With it being said that you need to be direct there is some measure of restraint you need to have when being direct online. If you email a girl saying, "Hey you're cute and I'm a pickup artist want to come over for a great night of sex?" I'm guessing thats not going to work too well for you.

As a real life example this is what I said to a girl today on Match. I first tried to chat with her via the Match.com chat since she was online but the chat system didn't work. I sent her this message below, then immediately she texted me and I setup a date to cook her dinner at her place.

"The Match Chat I think was having some issues. You seem like a really easy person to talk to so let me level with you. I think you are polite, have a big heart, and are very attractive! I'd really like the opportunity to take you out for some coffee with conversation or dinner sometime. =) I just have this feeling that you're a great person and I'd like to get to know you better.

You are welcome to message me back here or if you want you can shoot me a text. xxx-xxx-xxxx Jon"

Most guys wouldn't send this message because they would say that's AFC you need to be more indirect then show interest. "Hello?!?" You are messaging a girl online via a dating website. Your actions show you are interested before she reads the first word. You might as well be honest about what you want.

The above example is very typical of what I end up sending after a few messages or based on my overall feel of the situation. I am just very up front with what I want and what I'm looking for. I tell girls I just got back into the dating scene after a break from women, that I'm looking for a relationship eventually, but right now I'm just dating. Then from there tell stories about my life yes with some DHV spikes in them, tease, and the go direct with telling them I want to meet them along with sending them my number.

This is pretty much my flow chart if you will for how I do things online.

1. Opening Message. Comment on the profile, be witty, and keep it short.

2. DHV Stories, Build Rapport, Ask Questions to Further Conversation --- *Be direct and to the point with who you are and what you want.* (3-4 Paragraph or Two Sized Messages)

3. Tell her you like her and you want to meet her eventually. Give her your number, and tell her to text you. *If she doesn't then fall back to talking on Instant Messenger, rebuild rapport, then go back forward. This usually isn't needed.*

4. A few fluff text messages or a few minutes of fluff on the phone just to establish some more rapport and then ask for the date. If you don't get the date go back to telling DHV stories of your life build rapport, and try again later.

Nothing fancy but it works very very well for me! Keep in mind that I do this very quickly. I don't play phone games and wait a ton of time to message back. I can hear you now, "Won't that look needy?" You sent her a message on an online dating site, get over it! Time to step it up and go after what you want. If you start playing games you can lead her to thinking you're having second thoughts or not interested. Strike while the iron is HOT!

Girls respond very well to this, and more often than not, they respond favorably. Keep in mind as you message women online to be more direct about what you want as far as a relationship goes, who you are, and that you want to meet her. There is no reason to be all secretive about it she knows why you sent her the message so don't disappoint.[/quote]

Wow, I barely remember writing all that, but I still agree with the principles behind it all. How's the direct approach working for you?

I've been trying this opener with my Match account and so far have a 100% nonresponse rate. The only other opener I tried that got so bad a response was another one I found on a pickup-type site, and that was totally opposite, with more like a "loud, wild n' crazy, class-clown type" of opener.

Generally I've found, the only way to get a response at all is to make your email opener individualized to her profile, with a subject that relates to it, anything other than "hey" or "hi"

Take online gaming as having fun and try out all the bizarre routines and see which works best for you. I tried this routine before too with 0 response back, I sent out 20 of them, and didn't get any reply back.
However, this might not be the method itself but more likely depends on each person personality and the type of girls they go for. My profile is a joke with sarcastic vibe, so this direct half-serious tone of approach didn't work out well for well. I found on the opposite and, a bizarre routine which I adapted from a txt game worked out well for me. I got about 5-6 response for every 20 emails I sent out, and all that responded were fun and adventurous girls.

Let me clarify that is not an opener to use for any girl out there on the web that was specifically wrote for that person.

You just need to be direct and specific to the person you are talking to.

I use either:

- "Hey you seem spunky, lets go rob some banks naked"

or

- "help help i've been kidnapped by a group of hysterical cheerleaders, quick call the cops i think they're gonna take advantage of me.... oh no wait i'm fine."

Both I stole off this site and modified slightly, and both have about a 30% reply rate, if not higher.

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Please for the love of everything holy never use those openers again...