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There's really no difference between not gaining a number vs. losing a set where you go direct. You've already been losing sets and you're fine with it. No big deal.
Seldom will girls offer strong signals for you to be sexually blunt to them. In certain settings, it's fun and it makes sense. During the day in a random coffee shop, it doesn't.
This is the disconnect. I know we call it "Indirect" or "Under the radar" but this is not "beating about the bush" for anything at all. You are not suggesting sex or a relationship. All you're trying to do is invite her to spend some time with you and that's all. It's because you're thinking 'sex' and 'relationship' that you're giving out these somewhat weird vibes and inserting uncomfortable one liners. Just pretend that she's a 10 year old nephew you're taking out for ice cream and that's it. GET THE DATE . . . You cannot successfully suggest 'sex' through verbal communications prior to gaining a one on one date together and raising some intimacy.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Kfjw3_JXo[/youtube]

. . . Just about the :50 mark.

Seems like I really need a lot of this. The dates are still being delayed by most of the HBs

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I have an exam coming up in a couple of weeks so I will not be posting here much for sometime as I would not be sarging. However if there are any major updates with the girls whose numbers I already have then I am going to report back

Thanks and Regards
Grand Master

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Hey GrandMaster,

Now that you are having #-closes. Can you suggest few tips in details as to how you are going about doing it.


Being from India your advice would be helpful..

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hey grandmaster, in which city are u ....'m asking b/c i NEED a wingman in DELHI. I have read and seen lot of these stuff and i really want to try it. I would be truly grateful to you if u take me as your wingman.

Other persons who are active in this field please contact me. I really want to be in contact with people who are trying this stuff

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I am in Pune bro, will definitely contact you if I come to Delhi sometime. And its okay if you can't find a wingman. Go out and practice alone, do something. It's no big deal man, trust me.

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So I am back after a long hiatus as I needed to take care of a few stuff. Some interesting things happened over the last few days. I will refer to the girl in question as HB Sparkling Eyes

I was having dinner with a friend at a restaurant on Saturday and there was this very cute girl(HB Sparkling Eyes) sitting at a nearby table along with another friend and her mom. When I heard them talking with a particular accent I realized that they were from the same part of the country where I am from. Then I opened them and had a very good chat with them. I learned that the two girls have just completed school(they looked about 21 though) and are in the city to get admitted to college. Anyway they enquired if I can find an apartment for the 2 girls. There was no reason for me to refuse! The next day(Sunday) I used my contacts in the city and showed the mom about 5 apartments in just a few hours. She liked one of those very much and then called the girls to check it out. The girls too loved it so much. Thereafter four of us went to a nearby restaurant to grab a bite. We were there for about 40 minutes. I teased the hell out of the HB Sparkling Eyes, we had fun. Bantering, sarcasm, counter-sarcasm, a bit of flirting too. I even shared food on the same plate(A gesture shown by very good friends in India) with HB Sparkling Eyes.

Here’s an excerpt of what went on –

HB: When I saw you first I thought you are a total geek
ME: Ya, I get that a lot. I will take that as a compliment.
HB: (Smile)No, it WAS meant to be a compliment, we LIKE geeks. I mean, not in ‘that way’ ..
ME: Ya, ‘that way’ is fine as well(with a smirk!)
HB: **giggles with mouth and nose covered, like Miss World or Miss Universe winners do just after being declared the winner.**

and the other two smiled.

Now as she is new in the city so she hasn’t applied for a local phone number yet. The number that I have is going back to their native place with her mom. HB Sparkling Eyes didn’t have any number which I could take so we agreed to become Facebook friends. But now the problem is that there are over a thousand girls with same first and last name … After all the flirting I am not expecting her mom to give a call:D So I will probably stop by their place during the coming weekend to see how they are doing in the new city.
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So 2 of all the number closes that I did before may be going somewhere even though I am not very optimistic about them. It seems like number closes don’t mean anything.

Here is my new set of goals. Short and crisp!

1. Go out to sarge for at least twice a week.
2. Open at least 8 sets a week.
3. Get 30 instant dates by 31st December 2011.

With these goals in mind I was out sarging yesterday. Went to a mall. I noticed that most of the HBs were in the women’s clothes and accessories section. I had to quickly come up with an opener that could be used while roaming in that section. And I came up with this modified version of an opener I found somewhere in this forum.


Set 1(3 HBs)

ME: Excuse me, is there any gift shop nearby? I have to buy a gift for my friend’s gf. It’s her birthday.
HB: blabla..
ME: I have no idea what to pick, can you suggest something?
HB:blablabla…
ME: Ok thanks. Eject.

I was a little nervous. It’s been a while since the last time I went out sarging, about one and a half months back I guess. So my plan was to open a few sets, get the momentum and then try to pull instant dates.


Set 2( 1 UG and 1 HB walking on the street)

ME: Excuse me, is there any gift shops nearby? I have to buy a gift for my friend’s gf. It’s her birthday.
UG: blabla..
ME: I have no idea what to pick, can you suggest something?
UG:blablabla… (HB started giving a wide smile in the mean time)
ME: Thanks, can you come with me and may be help me pick something?
UG: (Taken aback!) No we, we have to go… (HB takes UG away while still smilimg and giggling!)

Yup, I was asking for too much of an investment. I myself was not that comfortable yet.
All of a sudden, something I read about mirror neurons came to my mind. I think Hobbit posted the link in the forum. Anyway, I decided that if nothing else, I would at least smile when I open the next set to make them feel comfortable.


Set 3 (2 HBs)

Opened with a smile and this instantly put the girls at ease. The set was very responsive.
Followed pretty much the same script as above plus a bit of fluff talk. Then asked the girls to come help me choose a present for ‘my friend’s sister’s birthday’... When I made my request, they smiled and politely refused. But I believe that if I had pushed a little then they would have agreed to go with me.

Few things that I have planned to do to minimize flaking are

1. Move the set to a new venue as soon as possible so that when we are there we would no longer be strangers, we would be in the new place together.
2. Change as many venues as possible on the instant date as well as on Day 2.


Comments, suggestions, advice welcome

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yeah !!!!! i was waiting eagerly for ur comeback, u seem to be the only guy in india getting #-closes.

i have been sarging for close to 1.5 months now. I have posted some of my approaches here my-infield-journal-delhi-india-vt93620.html?highlight=
shortly 'll be posting some new and better approaches i made lately. On analysis, 've come across some intricacies of the game. it wud be gr8 for all aspiring indian pua if we can discuss the following issues

1. Opener :: currently i use the -- bday gift for my cousin-- opener.

it works reasonably well in the mall but at other places like on a road, park, cafe, restaurant etc.. it just flunks, its out of the blue, the girls get the feeling that 'm hitting on them.
It almost never works on absolute HB10s in the mall. I guess they have experienced this ( guys trying to start a convo with 'em) all their life and/or they have lot of attitude so they just dnt respond to this

Are there any other openers which have larger scope for application ??


2. transition :: i use the style's transition routine -- ur eyes go up and right bla bla...ur a visual person...u seem like a creative person, i wat profession/ career are u in

it works well when i do it with energy, imitate the eye movements.. but sometimes they take it as flirting. i guess words like u r a visual person, creative person shows that 'm hitting on her, giving value before her IOIs.

are there any other transition routines, can i put this in some other way ..so that it sounds like a comment and also aDHV...how do u transition

3 attraction -- i simply dnt have any good material on attraction, run out of things to say, no stories with 'DHV spikes'. is negging the way to attraction.

attraction, low energy, low voice are some major sticking points ryt now

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well i have tried negging in day game...actually most of the times it backfires
if you want to use it,always deliver it with a smile and be playful
but use it only on the 9's n 10's
with a UG or even a 8 its gonna backfire badly.
even some of the 9's i have negged have low self-esteem here in india....
donno why but maybe they r not used to it(they consider it rude most of the time)
again this is what i have seen so far but feel free to experiment

try disqualifying the girl,this will let them know you are not hitting on them

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hi grand master. I am reading your journal. I can say, you have potential to become good at this. But you don't give us enough information to give you advice.

You seem, you #close in 5-10 minutes. Dude this is not goal. I am an AFC but I read a lot and I can say this # close is not a goal. HBs #closed think, this guy-grand master- don't know me. Why should I meet him again. He doesn't know me maybe he want to f.ck me?? than gone.. the number flakes.. This is why most of numbers flake "not enough comfort!!"

You are comfortable to talk strangers this is great. I recommend you instant dates or a solid 25 minutes game. You have to build enough comfort for 2 day meeting. I see you DHV, attract girl but then? Please give us more information such as are you using stories? Childhood stories, identify and grounding stories? Not funny, attractive stories?
5 lies game, ring routine.. etc isn't enough for solid game, you have to prepare a full game, Opener->DHV stories, routines->Bait hook reel release, push pull, C-F->Qualify->Comfort routines, 2-3 stories including your identify, personality etc

Be a story teller(not funny. attractive and funny if posible). Again I am an AFC but I recommend you build 30 minute stack. With right delivery, you will have many Day 2s..

Hey GM, good to see you're still at it. Your situation is confusing me a bit. Although I haven't been to India, I have been to many conservative countries and haven't experienced such crazy flakes. Do you think it might help you to anchor your social position a little deeper? In more conservative countries, it's always helped me that others felt some accountability from me. Perhaps just a deeper connection with people, work, places, experiences, etc . . .

From your posts, I still get a feeling that these girls still think that you're a "friendly" stranger. Perception is more important than reality. You offered up some friendly 'services" but plenty con-men begin their relationships with their victims the same way. In this environment, it might even better to be a rude moron who happens to be the friend of her cousin than to be a friendly stranger. And this switch doesn't work on a sliding scale. Instead, it's an on or off switch. Find the ONE THING that brings the girl together with you and she'll flick the "strange guy" switch right off. And yes, the willingness to party on with her from venue to venue might be a 'switch'. There are probably many others . . .

Transitioning is not that difficult man. Ask for direction or a gift shop or anything. If she is not able to answer then tease her for that. Then you may go "So you are not form the city, huh?"..She:blablabla. You:"Me neither, I am from.... " and you have moved past the opener into a conversation!

I have somewhat a similar experience so I concur


This sounds good. I like the idea

Even I have no idea why the girls are flaking on me. Probably I am creating enough comfort and trust to get the phone number but not enough attraction to make her want to meet me again.

So how exactly do I find out what her 'switch' is and what are the other ways to turn it on? More importantly, I have to figure out a way to do all these in as less time as possible if the girl is not up for an instant date.

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Went out with a few wings(3 others to be precise) and it was fun. Shared few cool tips with them and learned a few things as well. I have noticed that when I am out with any wing(s) then I definitely have more fun than when I go out alone but, not much happens in terms of pick up.

Anyway, I was the first to open a set. It was a 3 HB set in a bookstore.(I feel so comfortable when there are books around me! haha.) I opened them with "Need to buy a book for a friend's sister". There was this very beautiful girl in the set who was into me but I was not into her because she was a little on the heavier side I had already set my eyes on another girl in the set who was really very cute(and slim!). So we exchanged names and pleasantries and I learnt that they are studying in the UK and are in India for a visit. They had heavy British accent and it was eminent that they have been in the UK for quite sometime. I liked how I engaged the whole set in the conversation. Then I went "Hey lets go check out the 'Movie Section' if we can find something interesting while your friends search for a good book". She complied and I isolated my target. So we talked about movies and other stuff. When the topic is MOVIES, I can go on for hours, and it turned out that she was a movie buff too!! Instant bonding, I tell ya. Then after a few minutes my wing entered the bookstore and I introduced him to the others. Thereafter I wanted to move my target to a different venue and I just told her, "Lets go check out another gift shop nearby." And to my surprise, she agreed. That was one of the boldest moves I had made in the last few days ..haha. When I told her 2 friends that I will bring her back in 10 minutes, they too wanted to join us. As we stepped out of the bookstore my wing unknowingly cockblocked me saying that we are not likely to get anything there..haha..Then we talked for a while, standing. Meanwhile, the fatty was cockblocking me full on. I tried to bounce the set to another venue to grab a bite. But the fatty said they have to go as their families were waiting. Then I used my regular number close routine but the fatty said they were scheduled to leave India the next day. Finally I had to settle for a Facebook close(Is it really a close at all?!! I don't think so!)

Nothing worth mentioning happened for the rest of the evening. It has been raining continuously for the last few days and this keeps everybody indoors. Monsoon is the worst season for Indian PUAs, believe me

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I'm inclined to think that it's more the lack of a real life connection that's making them flake.
The switch can be 'anything' for anybody so I can't really help you here. In the past, being a regular at a bar/restaurant she knows, being associated with a prominent company, alum of the same school or doing projects with the school she has attended, etc . . . all of this has helped. Although . . . there were plenty times when none of this could have been verbally communicated and things still worked out.

Just keep doing what you're doing. You'll figure things out for yourself.