THE GOOD THING IS I FINALLY FOUND A KIND OF GOOD WING. AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS FORUM AND FINDING NO RELIABLE PUAs in NY. Who say one thing then never show up to wing. I came back to my home town. My one old High school friend called me up who I taught game a few years earlier.

We went out. THere weren't a whole lot of sets cause we live in a small area. I get a coke so I can think straight. Mystery sarges SOBER. AFC ADAM used to always sarge sober before he got into a relationship and stopped sarging. and in my mind they are some of the best PUAs. but this is the first time i've gone completely sober in a couple of nights.

My friend introduced me to 5 bars at a college like 1 hour away. I was a little scared from the fear of the unknown. I ordered a coke. & we started gaming the bartender. I gave him the rules and he seemed 100% down with them.
1.)I'm The coolest guy in the bar & he's the coolest guy in the bar. Everything I say is funny & everything he says is cool etc.
2.) He who opens the set controls the set
3.)Have (AI)Accomplishment Intros ready. (He says i'm a rockstar & I have 1 of my songs on the local radio & a lot of girls dig me.)
4.) When you find your wing in a 2 set you approach the set and FACE HIM & HE FACES YOU because HOT GIRLS DO THAT when GUYS HIT ON THEM.
Now this girls being gamed, him and I are both talking loud, demonstrating value.
I use AFC adams Hey can you phone my phone cause our friend Dougs supposed to be here in a few minutes, my buddy doesn't have his cell phone on him & I don't know if Doug's calling me or not.
The girl goes NO i can't do that. AFC Adam said this works almost all the time. Well it didn't work the other night. Then the second coke I got was so watered down it taste like crap.
He opens the set behind us while playing pool but says I can have his fairly cute target cause he's not interested in her. But she is with a BF. So my Wing leaves I AI him to the Boyfriend, who then thinks my buddys cool. I leave and he AIs to the Boyfriend so his girlfriend hears. He schedules the next pool game to be teams, but they back out at the last second... a week earlier we did the same thing and I got a girls # as he took care of the girls BOYFRIEND/OBSTACLE. similar 2 set....
The next set I do I'm nervous because 1.) New environment. 2.)Just got blown out 2x in a row 3.) I'm 100% sober.... I approach a 3 set. 2 girls 1 guy. I open the guy.... 2 minutes later I do the spin maneuver and steal the girls seat then say I gotta go in a second. 30 seconds later the other girl to the right of me grabs my scarf and PRYS me from the seat. & SAYS GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE NOW..... Later I realized that i was saying the F word too many times and was probably talking too fast. That's what adrenaline does. So just before we leave I see 3 girls walking across the street 20 ft. from me.I couldn't make out the girls that well because it was dark and it was by the sidewalk. I thought it was a new set. I say Hey Guys, and they go "O NO IT'S THIS GUY AGAIN" AND RAN AWAY FAST. Out of all the sets I open I had to reopen the last set again by accident. what a horrible night lol

o ya forgot to mention the set where 2 girls sat 4 ft. from me and gave me proximity. The moment I opened them the bartender interrupted and asked them what they wanted to drink. Then when I re-entered They got their drinks. THIS IS CALLED AN EXTERNAL INTERUPT. VERY UNLUCKY THING TO GET IN THE FIRST 3 MINUTES... happened twice because I forgot about the 3 minute rule. Such a rare thing to happen too. GRRRR

Today wasn't much more fun either. I went up to Guitar Centers King OF The Blues Contest that i was practicing for a month. Also 1 HOUR AWAY from where I live. & when I got there they said "SORRY can't let you play you have to be 30 minutes early. We left a message on your phone yesterday to let you know." I told them there WAS NO GOD DAMN MESSAGE AND NOBODIES EVEN IN LINE YET TO PLAY THE SONG. STILL WOULDN'T LET ME PLAY. it's almost like something that happens when your dreaming. it doesn't seem to be real. I TXTed my wing what happened cause he wanted to know what happened at the contest I was talking about & he didn't respond. I was helping the dude so much with girls again. I've been studying Mystery Method, Juggler, AFC Adam, Gambler, & Neil Strauss for a while giving him profound insights. and when the shoes on the other foot my bro ignores me.

your story is the norm i've seen when i found wings online. they told me they've been sarging for a year. we went to one bar and they told me to approach women with lame lines. i did my own thing and kind of got a little conversation with the women, but many women did not like being approached. we only talked to the waitress. then they said we should go to a bar where everyone comes to socialize. well that place was full of guys hitting on bewildered women who by the middle of the night, just waved hands "no" or turned their backs or waved their head as if saying "sorry no i don't want to talk to you" or would say something hostile like "what the hell? who the hell are you?" each time i felt like an idiot and felt guilty for doing something socially inappropriate. i did run into women who flirted back, even women i enjoyed talking to, and out of the few numbers i got i even got a date or two. but the experience of running into women who did not like being approached time and again.. it's pretty normal for many PUAs out there. whether this is something you think is effective for you or is your choice, but i personally do not trust what any of the gurus say.

I disagree about what you say with most gurus. I got into this stuff when I was 16 and by 18 I started to see a lot of the beliefs of David D or the techniques of Mystery making sense. Maybe up to 90-95% of the stuff, trying it all with an open mind. When I got into my 1st long term relationship... I started to get out of game for a few years. Now I'm back in it & have been fully into it the past year. There's a psychology term called the external locus of control meaning those kinds of people only look at the bad things that happen to them and kind of leave it up to fate as opposed to internal locus where people believe the mistakes made are their own. I think THESE terms are bullshit. Some people are born mentally handicapt and are physically abused. Others are born wealthy & become wealthier. And there's everything in between. I've heard a story once where someone one the lottery twice. Luck comes and goes, while you're making mistakes & learning from them. & external & internal are intertwined whether you believe it or not.
As for the wings I couldn't agree with you more.but There probably is a few bad ass pua wings on the site who we just havnt got in contact with yet.