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There are no "scam" PUA products.
What might be a "scam" to a person...well, let's look at the person.
If a proven system of success doesn't work for you, but it works for more than 3 random other people, the problem isn't the "scam"...it's you. You're just doing it wrong.
Take a step back. Where is the error: The techniques, or yourself? Is it yourself, or your unconscious?
There is no "scam" product, only "scam" mentality.
That's exactly the point of this thread. How do we know if someone is really the real deal or not? Some might spew out good theory, but can't seem to get girls themselves.
Most of the videos with instructors just feature them standing in a room talking. Does that prove that they can get girls? No. I've made a list of good and bad below, and although Mehow is on the bad list, I have to give him one MAJOR kudos: His use of infield videos. His infield insider series really showed how crappy/good some of these so-called master pick-up artists are. I also look at the guy presenting the material. Does he seem happy with himself and charismatic? In my opinion that is really what gets women.
Enough yakking, onto my list:
GOOD:
ZAN PERRION:
I've never seen a single infield video with him, nor have I seen many videos at all, so I really can't say if he's truly any good. But I really like his very positive attitude, and his sense of always being charming. He seems very charismatic, but maybe it's just another case of the gurus in the game being better at seducing us than women
Nevertheless, I find that what he said, "Men who like women are liked by women" to be one of the keystones of attracting women. I really find that to be a problem with many men who can't girls. His DVD "The way of the natural" is one of only a few truly inspirational videos I've seen.
JUGGLER:
I've actually only read his chapter in "The Game", which impressed me. I also noted that while Mystery was Neil Strauss' closest ally, he said that Juggler was the only one who didn't let him down and who wasn't needy. He seems a lot like Zan as well. Charismatic and happy with himself. Some people slay him for being compulsive at rationalising. I can't say if that's the case. I plan to read his "How to meet and connect with women".
NEIL STRAUSS:
Yes, Mystery Method, but less creepy and weird. Seeing him in interviews and seeing him teach, he also seems quite happy with himself, and I believe that is really the goal of all this pick-up business.
SINN:
His "Infield insider" episode in Mehow's series showed us that he could kiss girls (and quickly even). He's one of the few people who doesn't say "my techniques will make you able to get ANY girl you want", but rather that he wants to meet women with whom he has commonalities. His daygame program also seems quite good, although some slay it.
HYPNOTICA:
One of the very few videos I found very inspirational (the other being "Way of the Natural" by Zan) were his episodes on Mehow's "Infield insider". He seems 100 % confident. Something I want to achieve. Some say his NLP stuff hurts more than it helps, but I can't say.
BAD:
MEHOW:
As stated above, he really shows us what these pick-up artists can do by using infield videos. I have learnt a few things from him, but he basically shows how lame he really is by using infield videos. He seems a lot better now than when he launched his first, horrible, video product "Get the girl – infield exposed". He's been ranting about how his newest product, "10 second sexual attraction", would revolutionise the game altogether and blah blah blah, but all it showed us was that he still could only get phone numbers – no kisses! Someone pointed out that tons of hours of footage had probably gone into making these videos, so they would only show the very best. Says something, doesn't it? He's launched God knows how many videos of himself in the field, and I've only seen him kiss ONE girl (and don't tell me that he kissed girls in front of their boyfriends, 'cause that was a load of crap), and that girl was clearly drunk and in a hyper mood. What attracted me to him initially was probably that he reminded me of myself, always trying to be funny, annoying, full of himself, and, yes, a somewhat gay vibe, and that is probably also what scared me off in the end. In his "Infield Insider" series he always looks hung-over and so chilled-out that he can't even sit up in a chair – he has to lie down in it. Not a guy I want to be like!
MYSTERY:
Mystery's contribution to the community has been enormous, but Mystery himself doesn't appeal to me. Several people have said they become very weird when using Mystery's material. He doesn't seem happy with himself at all. Unlike Zan, he doesn't appear to like women – they are only a means to improving, or ruining, his self-worth. He seems to be the king of routines in the sense: "I don't have anything whatsoever to offer, so I have to say all these things that other people taught me, making my self-worth perpetually worse".
GAMBLER (Richard de la Ruina):
I haven't really looked at his material, although I bought one of his DVDs, but here are the rumours I heard: He claims that people have paid $20,000 for private lessons and that he coached 220.000 people in one year (who really believes that?), yet he ended up selling all his DVDs for one penny each. Now he's broke and homeless. In a video on Puafraud, Ross Jeffries says that Gambler's coach Adam Lyons told him verbatim that Gambler had no game whatsoever and that he suffered from major approach anxiety. The only way Gambler could get girls was by going into a club and buying a table for £1,000, so girls would approach him. I can't say if all or any of these rumours are true, but I assume what Ross Jeffries said is true.
HERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINION ABOUT:
David X, Adam Lyons, Carlos Xuma and Cory Skyy.
I've listened to Cory Skyy's audio program. I can't help but notice that when I first heard about the community, everything was routine based, and everybody said: "I was once a geek. Now I am the best in the world with women. If I could do it, so can you". Now that everything seems to be steering towards "natural game" (as opposed to routines), a guy like Cory Skyy comes along, who begins every sentence with "All of my life I've always…". His material doesn't seem much different than the NLP material I've seen.
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