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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 3:49 pm 
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I don't want this to be a rhetoric or philosophical debate or even a debate. I just think it'd be cool if we say what we think is the most important part of it. Enlighten ourselves off other people's ideas (or at least open up my eyes). Throw some ideas out there and use them out in the field whether they are for inner or outer game.

For me it would have to be consistency. Consistency in going out is the single most important thing for ME right now, also consistency in going out with the intention of speaking to new people, not just going out with friends and sitting about. Then comes consistency with speaking to new people and consistency with doing whatever you're trying to achieve each time. Then finally using consistency as a way to measure your 'game' e.g. do you open/close consistently.

Next it'd be justing chilling out, when your speaking to a girl or people in general, chill out. This was a major thing for me during most of my life i'd always feel like i had to be making the interaction which in turn made it harder to have a conversation. Now I'm cool with silences and just having casual chit chat with people and 'targets/sets'. This improved my social skills a lot.


Anybody got a different take on this? I only like reading stuff that goes directly into the field, so if this is just me ranting just slap me across the face.

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Definitely agree consistency is a clear sign pm how successful you really are and it is something to strive for.

Along the lines of being chill, don't get to stressed out. It takes time to get good. Don't let a single blow out upset u. Just use it as a lesson for next time.


Blame yourself if thing don't work out. That way its your actions that control your world and you can improve your life.

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the fundament of game for me is how I feel. Comfortable and confident everything else comes easy once your inner game is perfect.
Also I really like to introduce sexual tension in every interaction with women who are 7+ :D
I love to have the tension going on.


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I think for me, it is getting into a sexual mind-set. I've got no problems with approach, holding a conversation, etc. I'm naturally friendly, honest, witty, and so on. But without the sexual mindset, that's pretty much where it ends-- friends that do friendly stuff together. Getting into a sexual mindset makes all the differece with kino and conversation- If I'm not aroused, then there's going to be hesitation in my body language if I'm trying to convey sexual interest. Opporunities where a conversation could take a sexual turn are going to be missed.

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For me its inner game of being comfortable in a wide range of situations -- the real, effortful kind and not saying I'm awesome over and over again.

The reason for this is that I'm already good at the conversation aspects of socializing; however, for a while I was limited by many insecurities and judgement that limited how enjoyable I was to be around.

It ultimately affects the way the person perceives the interaction for the better. It's not something most people recognize consciously, but we all have experienced hanging out with people who are at ease vs those who are anxious.

It seems the better my inner game gets, the more I differentiate from those who can converse just as well, but aren't as enjoyable to be around.

But ultimately this is going to depend on your goals. If I was trying to meet people and have sex in the same night, this wouldn't be nearly as helpful.
@Hobbit How did you learn to deal with judgement and insecurities that socialising couldn't solve?
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the fundament of game for me is how I feel. Comfortable and confident everything else comes easy once your inner game is perfect.

@marquito42 How did you develop your inner game and/or what is your way of feeling comfortable?
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Blame yourself if thing don't work out. That way its your actions that control your world and you can improve your life
@ axtion Yeah i've been trying to take more responsibility for my actions instead of blaming it on outside things, took me a while to learn not to make it 'harsh' blame haha.
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But without the sexual mindset, that's pretty much where it ends-- friends that do friendly stuff together.


@eromontamrood Not saying it's wrong (far from it) but i found i used to be so insecure and scared of not being 'sexual' and getting things right, i usually screwed stuff up or felt too much pressure. My best interactions have just been talking, EC and when the mood (and place) is right, i fire the torpedoes. But you're probably not as much as a chode as i am right now :)


It's interesting that everyone's points are inner game based.


One more point (something i think i lack)i think is important, is the ability to be able to distinguish when YOU are at fault and when others are at fault or when its merely just the situation. Or maybe i just think its important just because i lack it.

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id say my body language is the most important part. i focus alot on my voice tonality, position of my legs and hands, eye contact and eliminating nervous mannerisms because i feel it instantly builds rapport. it doesnt matter how shitty or pointless your conversation is because if you have very STRONG MASCULINE body language she will perceive that you are a strong individual and she will be attracted to this.

i truly believe that its not what you say but how you say it and a large part of this is how your body language is delivered. i find that if my body language is strong then the rest of my interaction will be strong too. my kino will be delivered without hesitation, my sexual conversation will be completely unapologetic and my control of the conversation will come much more naturaly.

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id say my body language is the most important part. i focus alot on my voice tonality, position of my legs and hands, eye contact and eliminating nervous mannerisms because i feel it instantly builds rapport. it doesnt matter how shitty or pointless your conversation is because if you have very STRONG MASCULINE body language she will perceive that you are a strong individual and she will be attracted to this.

i truly believe that its not what you say but how you say it and a large part of this is how your body language is delivered. i find that if my body language is strong then the rest of my interaction will be strong too. my kino will be delivered without hesitation, my sexual conversation will be completely unapologetic and my control of the conversation will come much more naturaly.

strength > witt, humor, money, scripted game

Its funny you should say that but i don't think Ive ever understood what anyone ever meant by 'good body language' apart from hands in pocket, facing people/facing away, feet wide apart and not fidgeting. Not disagreeing, i just thought that was funny on my part :)

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@Hobbit How did you learn to deal with judgement and insecurities that socialising couldn't solve?
It's been my experience that all these things are extremely interrelated -- the outer/inner game dualism is just as silly as the Descartian Dualism. I've also found that inner game things are all related. . . while people seem to think you take a pill for a back ache and another pill for a diabetes, I have found losing weight makes both of these go away. Being comfortable, judging, nerves, and every other thing you'd want to fix come from very few sources.

The way to improve all this stuff is just stop doing it. My inner game thread goes into more detail, but if you want to stop thinking negative thoughts, stop verbalizing negative thoughts. If you want to be more comfortable, display the body language necessary and don't try to hide your feeling of discomfort from yourself. All these are the basic changes that all psychiatrists recommend, and it's also extremely similar to what religions who focus on achieving higher mental planes have discovered: exercising, meditation, diet, not doing certain behaviors, forcing yourself to do other behaviors, going outside comfort zones, etc.

It's pretty simple and can be tailored to individual needs. But it's not easy, it takes a lot of effort and dedication. As a result, people would rather watch 20 hour documentaries to pick up a few more cognitions that may help a little, instead of spending 20 hours doing the simple, but hard stuff that works.

And in conclusion, I've also found people say they want to change but they really don't. There was an interesting study where people said "I want to be less rigid" but they never succeed, because they associated rigidity with structure (a positive trait). Take a look on this forum, I just had one of these conversations in the relationship section. People cling to their maladaptive world views because they associate it with positive things, even when they probably realize it wasn't the best world view. Just because something works doesn't mean its optimal, nor the most enjoyable, nor the one that makes you the most at ease/happy.

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I will continue to be a douche bag because it's gotten me girls in the past! Do I like being a douche bag? No. Am I going to try to change that? Yes. Will it work? No, because I believe that has what has worked for me thus far.
haha that's how i came to decide to better myself, i saw a lot of bad behaviors in people that i saw in myself and decided to change them.

All the stuff you mentioned is basically the area i'm interested in most too, i like to think i'm constantly learning and improving myself. I guess my main insecurity is just that i'm never doing enough or doing it right etc, so i never know if i'm on the right path. Mainly with micro-behaviors and mindsets.

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You can see your excuses, bad behaviors, bad mindsets in all the posts on this forum. When you spot them in someone else, think to yourself what would I suggest that guy to do? Then do it. Being honest with yourself is the key to it all.
I have a similar process, i imagine someone else in my problem and then give them advice and then transpose that to my real-world problem, that way it fits my exact problem there and then.

I had a great idea for a thread; Each week we all post a few different missions to go do out in our lives (maybe 1 inner, 1 outer) and it can be different depending on each persons skill level and ambitions. It would tiny missions because they'd be like little extra curricular activities to do, then everyone posts their results up and compares and helps each other out. Maybe "approach 5 mixed groups this week" or "meditate everyday 15minutes", or maybe even "approach one girl/group you never normally would have this week".

^ This might help us all make some (although small) changes, if at least me.
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My inner game thread goes into more detail,
If you're referring to "practical attainment of inner game" then that's my favorite thread on this site! It's just 100% pure practical from you and Fin.

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id say my body language is the most important part. i focus alot on my voice tonality, position of my legs and hands, eye contact and eliminating nervous mannerisms because i feel it instantly builds rapport. it doesnt matter how shitty or pointless your conversation is because if you have very STRONG MASCULINE body language she will perceive that you are a strong individual and she will be attracted to this.

i truly believe that its not what you say but how you say it and a large part of this is how your body language is delivered. i find that if my body language is strong then the rest of my interaction will be strong too. my kino will be delivered without hesitation, my sexual conversation will be completely unapologetic and my control of the conversation will come much more naturaly.

strength > witt, humor, money, scripted game

Its funny you should say that but i don't think Ive ever understood what anyone ever meant by 'good body language' apart from hands in pocket, facing people/facing away, feet wide apart and not fidgeting. Not disagreeing, i just thought that was funny on my part :)
i know it sounds easy but there are a tonne of things you have to be aware of inorder to have good body language. you have to be on the ball at all times such as body language when sitting down which involves leaning back, keeping your hands away from your body, keeping your feet and legs far apart as if to show your crotch with one leg extended. its also tricky to not do any nervous mannerisms such as breaking eye contact too often, nervous smiling, nervous laughing, laughing excessively hard, too many hand gestures, not playing with your glass.

the most important thing in my opinion though is your voice tonality. when your nervous you often finish sentences by making your voice go upwards like when answering a question. this sounds weak however and can instantly kill rapport. i had troubles with that when i first started.


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INTENT

Intent is the key.

Intent sets the frame. Intent ensures good body language. Intent makes eye contact, kino, and harmless banter SEXUAL. Intent provides the driving force behind the interaction, meaning you can be authentic, and never worry what the "right thing to say" is. Intent shows you are unapologetic, that you know what you want and you go for it - intent is ALPHA.

Intent is everything.

Edit: A vid about intent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui39qjO6buM

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INTENT

Intent is the key.

Intent sets the frame. Intent ensures good body language. Intent makes eye contact, kino, and harmless banter SEXUAL. Intent provides the driving force behind the interaction, meaning you can be authentic, and never worry what the "right thing to say" is. Intent shows you are unapologetic, that you know what you want and you go for it - intent is ALPHA.

Intent is everything.
Do you mean intent as in verbalising it or using your intent(ions) to fuel your interaction, from its emotions?

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INTENT

Intent is the key.

Intent sets the frame. Intent ensures good body language. Intent makes eye contact, kino, and harmless banter SEXUAL. Intent provides the driving force behind the interaction, meaning you can be authentic, and never worry what the "right thing to say" is. Intent shows you are unapologetic, that you know what you want and you go for it - intent is ALPHA.

Intent is everything.
Do you mean intent as in verbalising it or using your intent(ions) to fuel your interaction, from its emotions?
I verbalise it initially in most cases by stating I find them attractive. That sets the intent straight away, and I can immediately filter girls who are not interested so I don't waste my time.

However, you don't have to if you don't want to - the point is the intent that comes from knowing what you want and conveying that through all the submodalities available to you, so are you communicating on a subconscious, as well as a conscious, level with her.

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INTENT

Intent is the key.

Intent sets the frame. - intent is ALPHA.

Intent is everything.
nice thread, ive always wanted to read some peoples opinions and tips, thanks guys.

ive been doing it for a while now, and ive found the most useful thing, is try and keep a womans arms apart, like folding there arms or, holding a cup with both hands etc. while ever there doing this there defensive, and at a chemical level it gives them a negitive feeling, but once you have there arms appart, thru mirroring or giving them somthing to hold, they will get a positive feeling.

also, to test how defensive they are, watch for where there arm comes across their body and scratchs somwhere: wrist not to bad, sholder, getting there, and the back of the neck goes without saying.. (know anyone that is always fiddling with there neclless with both hands? shy defensive person? )

If you can get them to mirror you, and keep their arms open, your controling the frame, and if you can get the group doing it, ur the alpha. (one hand on hip and one down by your side works well with mirroring, just be sure not to stand to front on)

love to hear some more body laungage talk, keep it coming

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INTENT

Intent is the key.

Intent sets the frame. Intent ensures good body language. Intent makes eye contact, kino, and harmless banter SEXUAL. Intent provides the driving force behind the interaction, meaning you can be authentic, and never worry what the "right thing to say" is. Intent shows you are unapologetic, that you know what you want and you go for it - intent is ALPHA.

Intent is everything.

Edit: A vid about intent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui39qjO6buM
This is an amazing post. I felt this way but didn't know how to put it into words.

When I was out on Friday, there was HB9 who I made it clear I was into her and gave a lot of kino, and the more i let her know i was into her, the more attracted to me she became.

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Great thread-very insightful

Will be reading regularly.


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