Hey guys

I find myself in target rich scenerio's were it is difficult to be able to open a set. I'll give you some situations that I run into:

1) Women at work. Lots of times I see a target that is at work. Obviously if they are a HB I want to more than just talk to them briefly. The other day there was a woman working at a counter. I didn't know if I should use an opinion opener or just go ask some question related to her job. Is it okay to just go up and run an indirect opener on them?

2) Sets with others around. There are many instances where I see sets that are surronded by other non targets. For example: At the mall there was a set in the food court. They happened to be seated near other non-attractive women as well some men. Would it be weird to just single them out while there are others I could have asked my opinion opener too? I also don't want others to eavesdrop on the conversation.

3) Moving targets. Sometimes I walk past a target and wish I could have talked to her. Should I just turn around and follow them or is there a better way to handle them?

4) Sets that I see in the distance. There are occasions where I see sets that are 100 feet away from me. Do I just walk strait up to them or wait until they move their location?

5) Hired Guns. Do they need to just be negged or can indirect openers work on them?

6) Quiet places. I visit a local college sometimes. Usually there are HB's in there, but it is a quiet place. Should I still run game or find a common area?

These are some of the biggest obstacles I run into. I appreciate your help

Thanks

DUDE! You are MAJORLY overthinking this. You need to jusr fucking approach more. When you see girls you want to talk to, APPROACH. By doing it you will get a feel for what works best in the various situations.

With that said, I'll give you a quick rundown. For girls that are working, you can go indirect OR direct, it doesnt really matter. But if you go INdirect, just make sure that you let her know that you are hitting on her relatively quickly. A lot of time it just comes down to time. If she's working somewhere where you can chill and talk to her for a little while, than you can take it slower, but if she has to get back to work or something, than you HAVE to let you intentions be known and she will either go for it or she won't Simple as that.

As far as sets with other people around goes, you just need to stop worrying about what other people think so much. PEOPLE WILL HEAR YOU HITTING ON GIRLS. It happens. And its fine. You're doing it for you and her, not them. Fuck anybdy else and don't let anybody else stop you from what YOU want to do.

If you walk past a moving target just turn around and go direct. For moving targets, you're almost always gonna go direct.

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Sets that are in the distance..I don't even really understand you're problem with this. Just approach them dude. Basic rule of thumb: if you have to walk straight up to a girl and there is no plausible reason that you would be walking in that direction, then you pretty much have to go direct.

Hired guns...depends on the situation. And by the way, don't use negs except for really hot or really bitchy girls. For the most part, just playfully tease girls.

And lastly, there is nothing wrong with gaming in quiet places.

You are right. I am overthinking it. The thing is, these situations add to my already high approach anxiety. I have a bad case as it is, when I see a target and im not sure about the setting, i freeze up.

I live near a university. Today I had a little free time on my hands and went sarging there. I walked into the union and there was about 5 sets in there. So I wanted to look at the room to see how I would open. I sat down near the entrance on a couch with my back to a solo target. She looked busy studying for finals, so I sat down. A minute later her HB 9.5 friend comes and joins her. When her friend came, I totally froze up. My AA went through the roof. My composure was lost and I didn't know what to do. I then decided to regain myself. As I left the room, I unexpectedly seen another target and froze and couldn't approach her. Negative emotions just snowballed and I ended up leaving without doing an approach. For the rest of the day, I was pissed at myself for not doing it.

Have any of you guys ever felt like that?

Yes my friend, I get it all the time but we are ever evolving. We need to work on our inner game and self belief. If your at a uni environment you have loads of materials to work on like asking what they are studying blah blah blah. I would say try and talk calmly to as many HB's as you can, try to get names, remember them and smile and neg them when you see them in the future.

I hope this helps.

Than you for your help

My mind fucks with me, when I am about to open. For example, I walk into the room and I see targets. I try to deduce which set to open first, but at the same time, my mind tells me I am staleing out the room by not deciding where to open. So I sit down and my mind tells me that I have blow an opportunity to approach in that room. Then I start to think, how these girls are better than me, and they will blow me off. It is vicsious cycle.

All of it comes from having very fragile self-esteem. By forcing myself to push through and open, wouldn't a total rejection push me into a bigger mental rut?

When you first walk into the room. Don't think, keep walking, to the very first set you see. Upon getting to them, just ask them a simple question. "Hey, do you guys know where the cool people are? I don't want to be seen with the wrong people..." In a cocky yet innocent way. try it.

Ok, so really your biggest problem is AA,, which really just comes down to state control and having an opener prepared so you don't have to scramble to think of something to say.

For state control, you just need to start small. So, before you even think about opening sets, do some warm ups. Ask somebody for directions. Then ask somebody else for directions and make a comment about something they're wearing or just make some stupid comment. Then ask somebody for directions and try to extend the conversation for like 30 seconds. Build it up. After you get into more of a talkative mood, then go and do an approach. Make sure you have one or two openers ready to use. Like maybe one direct opener and one opinion opener. No need to overcomplicate it. And for right now, your ONLY objective is to open. Don't worry about ANYTHING else. If you open, then you succeeded. Doesn't matter if she spits in your face and walks away or if she drops to her knees and sucks your dick. The ONLY thing that matters is that open. Take all the extra pressure off yourself because at this stage in the game, it won't help you...

Here bro..."I need a girls opinion on this, my friends n I were just getting into a debate, what are the OFFICIAL rules of beer pong? 6cups or 10, water or beer in the cup" I have never met a girl in college who didn't have an opinion on beer pong. Also, I agree with the dude who said u r putting way too much thought into your approach. You have to just go for it. You need to realize there is NOT ONE girl on this planet too good for you! And if a girl for some reason isn't into you, IT IS HER LOSS!!

Urkel is slot on tho...u gotta just get comfortable walking, approaching, n becoming in charge. When u see a hb n she has two girls around n two guys with 4 tables full of 4 ppl around them....WHO GIVES A FUCK!! Feel me? Go in. Open. Gain control. Relate to the guys. Get the girls to laugh. N get ur target. Just realize when she is in a bigger set, u have to put all ur obstacles down...but it shouldn't affect your opener. When u walk up to a moving target or a target at a distance...do not walk directly towards their face!!!! That is mammal attack position. Instead walk towards/ past n approach from the side. You don't want to step intheir face and "confront them". Instead you want to walk beside them so their normal defense mechanisms don't kick in n casually direct approach. Do you know what I mean...if she is to your right side...you would wanna walk like u were gonna brush her left shoulder n casually hit her with something. I like to make observational comments, but you will probably be better with a planned opener so you don't have to think. I like to make a suprised look like "hey your a girl who's opinion may matter let me ask
you this" n make itlook like u weren't planning on opening her, but it just popped in ur head that she may matter. You don't want to alarm her, just let her know you MIGHT give a shit what shethinks...sometimes as a test to see if a girl is digging my look, I use n opener n heavily favor an unpopular opinion just to see if she will move to match my gram RIGHT off the bat...but I wouldn't recommend that yet...just walk up to 150 people in the next week n ask random shit...people don't bite...think about this...u see a girl in a library what is the worst case scenario...u walk up open n she starts laughing n screaming "omg this fucking loser started talking to me what a fucking clown who would ever touch him he's just disgusting. Hey every girl here come over n laugh at this guy"...that will NEVER fucking happen bro...once u realize the real life worst case scenario is a girl just blows u off gives u a one word answer n turns her back (n that is super uncommon) you will realize there is nothing to fear but fear itself...


Truly the old occult adage(sp) works again..."fear is failure and the forerunner of failure."

Hope this helps

I do not understand any of these kind of attitudes. It is all very well that you are hitting on your target but actually making it obvious? Massive risk that only the most super confident can possibly pull off. Let her know you are hitting on her? Isn't there the likelihood that if you make it obvious she will make some excuse and leave.