girls will try anything to feel us uncomfortable and that's part of the game... you just have to keep on going with the mindset that you can say whatever is on your mind because you are badass and you can afford that - its called confidence.
in fact, PUAs say that it doesnt really matter that much what you say, but how you say it


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No no, let me explain. Cocky & funny is a concept invented during the evolution of PU. A long time ago, it all started with the concept of using routines and lines. Then came the idea that girls like jerks. Then came cocky & funny. Then Mystery. Then Inner game. Then Natural game. Then someone said, "Wait no, you can't be a nice guy or a jerk to them, you have to be an alpha male." So then the Alpha male came around. Now let me tell you something, none of these contribute to attraction. Why? Because all of these deal with what comes out of your mouth. Let's go back to PU. The goal of PU is to find attraction, and then seduce. The reason I say "find" is that you can't CREATE attraction. Attraction naturally exists between you and 75% of the girls out there as a spark waiting to be lit.

You see, the majority of people within the PU community are just focused on getting good reactions from the girl by being cocky & funny, making her laugh, giving her the idea that you're "high value" and whatnot. You know who also makes the girl laugh really well? Probably her homosexual friend standing over there. These are just small things..what she "thinks." But to really get to the core of it all and to turn a girl on and really feel that sexual tension between the both of you, you have to get close to her and escalate. Now the gaming part of it is that there are rejections and barries and this is where the art of seduction comes in and there's a proper and improper way to seduce a girl..

You don't need to tease a girl or make her laugh or anything. All of those increase her comfort level around you. I see girls and their guy friends are experts at being cocky & funny and at teasing as well. Yet they are still friends. Why? Because all of those things make the girl comfortable around you, they DECREASE sexual tension. Cocky & funny and teasing should only really be applied after you've given the girl the pleasure (compliments & escalation.) In which she'll return affection.

Yeah I know. All that cocky/funny and alpha male bullshit is just that... Bullshit. This entire community was founded on useless techniques and it is finally NOW that the real game begins.

I can't believe all the time I've wasted trying to build this cocky/funny persona, when what really matters is pure honesty. Seriously, how can any women turn their back on a guy who in a most serious manner says "I'd really like to fuck you". They can't... Why? Cuz he's speaking from the heart and that's what matters!

Guys like David Deangelo are little more than snake-oil salesmen. Don't listen to these so-called Pick Up Gurus, you're only wasting time and money. Chris here is the real deal. He knows what's up.

ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT, What girls would like this apart from ugly sluts?? You can seduce a women without saying "I wanna bend you over this bar a fuck you till you bleed" Seducing can be the way you look at them, BODY LANGUAGE. And what you said chris everything being bullshit on the site APART from your way..... Who the fuck do you think you are? Casanova? your probably an ugly fucker who gets no action, I personally think you are a creeper, who scares women off with your creepy smile resembling a peado....

To be Honest Chris, I think your full of Crap and have no idea what your doing.

Speak seductively. Never start a conversation focused on work, school, MySpace, family, TV shows, or other everyday things. Never talk about yourself. Talk about exotic vacation spots, mythology, sex (sometimes), history, astrology, dreams, fate, and anything else pleasurable and intangible. Don't express any opinions except for your preference for pleasurable things and for things that she likes. Keep a powerful gaze while talking about these things. The eyes are very important.

Bloody and Chris. If what you say would be true, this forum would be empty­.

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Hey man, with a solid view of things also comes those who disapprove. You first need to stop exaggerating things. Even I don't approve of, "I wanna fuck you till you bleed." Where are you getting all these abberations from? Could that be what you like? (fucking women until they bleed? damn bro, that's scary) My point is that you can even verbalize things like, "I wanna fuck you" and it still works because it puts that image in their head, they imagine you fucking them. It has to be said in an honest manner and not over done. If you over do it and say something like, "I wanna fuck you until your pussy turns into a rusty pipe and then have the doctors from the hospital on Craig Av. to help fix you up." Then it's obvious she can't take you serious. So keep it logical, no one said, "I wanna fuck you until I cum like a nuclear bomb in on you"

And where did all the assumptions of me being an "ugly fucker" come from? Yo I'm not gonna judge you and say you were born stupid, but you really made yourself sound stupid in that post. You just have to fix some things, I think the issue here is your maturity level. You're probably still 17 or something, I mean..that's what I naturally assume from the way you write. But hey, I'm 18 and I've spent so much of my time researching and learning for a year straight so far. I'm not like most of the people on here that just find PU as a hobby. PU is my LIFE, I am obsessed with it, you have no idea. I naturally spend a lot of time thinking and analyzing PU and I can tell you at best, that A LOT of what you know..what I've known..is just mental masturbation. You're just sitting there all stressed out trying to put the pieces together and no matter what you change and think, it still doesn't work!

Most people on here have been fed with the wrong kind of information. If you truly want to have everything simplified to understand it like it's black on white without anymore bullshit, then read 60 years of challenge. His stuff is pure, even he mentions that NLP, DHV, alpha male, cocky & funny, and all that aren't the way to go. I am tired of hearing of new terms for a new persona. Sure, the term "alpha male" was cool at first and there ARE bits from it that are helpful and you learn why jerks don't work and stuff and how to treat your girl, but it is very..VERY far from actual PU. PU isn't about magically gaming a girl's mind with words and getting her to agree with you. It's about something even MORE simple; like going after the girl as when you went for that one girl when you were in 1st grade. Remember how you would get all close to her and think all these dirty thoughts and scare her away? Well that's the right way to go. PU is something so simple that it shouldn't even exist if you think about it. Then again, it's helpful, you have an upperhand knowing things.

while it is certainly possible to walk up to a chick and say "i wanna fuck you" and have things actually go well, one would have to agree that is also possible that things COULD go horribly wrong.

even the best mpua gets rejected once in awhile.

i would have to assume that the rejection from "hey, did you see that fight outside?" would not necessarily be as severe (potentially) as the rejection from "hey, i'd really like to fuck you."

this is only my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.

but i think the point that so many pua teachers push is technique that usually goes well, but when it goes wrong, at least it doesn't go HORRIBLY wrong.

take for instance, gambler, and his microescalation. the whole point is to not put yourself out there for rejection, so you can't get rejected.

the potential for rejection to "hey, i'd really like to fuck you" is higher, in addition, the potential dangers including stalking charges, pepper spray, police being called, bouncers attacking you is much, much higher. like i said, even if it goes right 99 out of 100 times, that one time it goes wrong could be the end of you. literally.

is that the sort of "pua method" that these guys need to be studying? something that when it does go wrong, could get them beat the fuck up or arrested?

i think i'll stick with "hey, let me read your palms" and cocky/funny as these techniques are known to deliver positive results without a much higher risk of bodily harm.

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I didn't say to run around and tell girls you want to fuck them. The whole seduction process is done through escalation. One way I personally first escalate is by grabbing their hand and twirling them and saying they look pretty.

The phrase, "I'd fuck you" should only be used when 1.) the girl asks you what you'd do to her 2.) she's your oneitis/need to get out of friend zone 3.) after enough escalation 4.) when a girl asks why are you looking at her "like that"

oh, trust me.

i see the validity in what you are saying. your point is not lost on me.

your basic point is that "under the right circumstance, and in the right settings" you can say damn near anything you want to a girl to escalate. it's all about context. i hear ya.

i just think the distinction between pua and what you've described is that pua techniques have a lot of failsafes built in so that they maximize positive outcomes while reducing the potential negative outcomes.

like i said, i see validity in what you are saying, and i agree that you are right.

i'm just clarifying for anyone who might think that the next great pua method is the "hey, i want to fuck you method" that they might want to think again. lol.

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Chris, we've had our disagreements on this issue before in another one of your posts. And I'm going to have to disagree again. Maybe it's the way you word yourself; that just makes you sound like a true creep. Anyway my point here is that being a creep is not necessarily good. You may only pick up ONE type of girl this way, but this definitely doesn't work on ALL girls.

One real life example about your post: The school where I go has a guy who I (and everyone else) find is a true creep, has a similar outlook on life as you do, and could quite possibly grow up to be a pedophile. But that's just my opinion. Anyway my friends, both guys and girls dislike this creep, the girls (my gf in particular) cringe when he comes near them because they feel violated. In fact, he spends his lunchtimes and breaks alone because of that reason. He has no friends because it's obvious he's a creep. HOWEVER. He has a girlfriend. WTF? How can someone be attracted to someone like him? Its because that some methods only work on some girls. That's all I'm saying.

And I gotta say I agree with Mack on this one. Maybe that's what you meant when you were writing your post. Like I said before you need to word yourself more clearly.

GO head dont be shy.but reading your post and following following the directions given by a person, I certainly can feel the main difference.

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I disagree.
IMO i believe that men and women are very different. Sure women may be as 'horny' as we are and i agree with you here, but to me that in no way means that they have the same mindset. From this i believe that men and women understand the word creep in different ways.

e.g. You seem to be generalizing the idea that men don't seem intimidated and feel turned on in the case where a woman would walk up to them and say 'i would suck your dick', that then women would also then respond exactly the same if a guy walked up to her/them and said 'i wanna fuck your pussy.' Guys may laugh or crack a boner whatever, but in most cases girls will feel scared and/or threatened. It's just the way nature has brought us to be.

Because we are different genders we respond to such strong words in different ways. I am in no way saying your method will never work - there is definitely a few girls out there - but for me personally and most of the other guys here I sure as hell would bet my money that in the majority of cases, it won't.

I see what you're saying but you brought up an interesting point: failsafes. Wouldn't it be great if we can have top game and never get rejected? The problem is that most guys do indeed employ all sorts of tactics to "play it safe." And before they truly go in like they're supposed to, they first hang around waiting to see if the girl likes them.

When I explored further, I came across some new sources that changed how I see things for good.

They are:

http://howtogetwithagirl.com/blog/

http://www.howtoseduce.biz/

and of course 60 years of challenge. It's a book, but split into four. Everything from escalation to relationships. It is VERY simplified and easy to understand, anyone here whose read enough about tactics will certainly look at this one differently.

like i said, i see the validity of what you are saying.

here is what you need to do.

go field test that on ten women and report back.

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+1

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Just to let you know that while you guys were arguing about the glass of water...... I drank it!

Sincerely, the Opportunist