Wow, your frustrating..... When did i say you just have to make her laugh?? oh that's right I DIDN'T ,it helps though, like i said, it builds comfort, then it is up to you too move things on, making it sexual.... What fucking girl like a STRANGER walking up to her with that creeper stare and GRABBING her hand, without any intoduction, we don't live in the bloody cave times

I personally think Paul Janka is an absolute douchebag, ok he might be successful, but, half the fun or PU is not the getting layed but building it all up, bringing it together, making her like you. That might sound gay, but when picking up girls i have FUN, messing about with her.

I grabbed her hand at a party, it was different. If it was even more "stranger-like" then I would have to escalate more. Having fun with a girl isn't a bad thing at all. I'm just saying that fun in itself doesn't create attraction, but it can lead to it as you two have a higher frequency of being around each other thus "magically" giving that moment. What I do is take the fun away and go directly to what's needed. After that I still have fun with them, no worries. I just like to make the process faster.

And these are drunk girls we're talking about? Of course that'd work, but what if the girl didn't wash her hands after taking a shit? Would you still grab it?

What does this even mean? Eve is suppose to be jealous of this girls beauty that wont exist for thousands of years, so thats why she decided to eat the apple and fuck it up for the rest of human kind?

You said its common sense that making women laugh doesnt get them wet. So using religion when complementing a girl does? Cool story bro

Your other comment about gay guys being the funniest with women and yet the girls wont find them attractive. How stupid are you? Maybe because theyre gay? Call me crazy but thats just my guess.

huge LOL at sending a crush flowers on valentines day and then asking her if she got em on facebook when you already had her number. You think she wants all of her new friends or guys shes actually attracted too seeing some pussy still in HS asking her about getting the flowers you sent or not? And you wonder why she deleted the wall post? Your just a walking piece of fail dude.

If you have such a high rate with these tactics then post pictures of you with them if you have the balls too.

Chris what I am writing, I would like you to read over and over a few times, until it sinks in OK? Maybe print it out and read it as a bedtime story or something. First of all, I have seen a few questions of yours on this site before. And in each reply you give, you always seem to argue against the advice you're given. Let me make one thing clear. You post a question on this forum because you need help with your game. You read the advice you are given. Then you say thank you and shut the fuck up. I hope I made that clear.

Now back to your original question and the posts YOU have written so far. I cant quote any of them because I'm on my iPhone and writing this is hard enough already. My advice to you, is to listen to the advice that has been posted up already. It is good advice. Fucken read it again. You say you gave the girl flowers on valentines day. She basically ignored the SHIT out of you. She deleted your facebook post. She is NOT into you. Don't go justifying her actions, and go thinking you're "in". I'm afraid to say, you're not "in" there buddy. Move on. If that wasn't clear enough for you my friend, than god help you and your pitiful game. You also argued against many of the posters in this thread, of those whom I hold a lot of respect for. They want to change their game, and LISTEN to the advice given to them. Thats a lesson that you still need to learn. You are AFC. You couldnt BE anymore AFC if you tried. You are defining this girls actions as OK, when she is showing ABSOLUTELY no interest in you. And whoever called you a creepy stalker is a Fucken genius. I couldn't have said it better myself.

However to conclude my ranting; you have a long way to travel. And you can get there, I fully believe in you. All you need to do, is listen to what advice is being given, maybe read some more material out there, and give it your best shot. I wish you the best of luck.

amen.

Chris, have you read through this again yet and realised your mistakes and how you need to change your gamee?

It's supposed to mean that Eve never cared about Adam being naked (when I was about to pull my pants down). She didn't crack up and laugh, she smiled because she thought it was cute so don't put words in my mouth and say that she laughed. As you can see, you can't even comprehend what I say. You act like a little girl. You are thick headed, you are the AFC here. You read a few books and you still don't know anything. You only see things like a horse-only one direction. I can tell that by the nature of your post, you are a pretty emotional/reactive guy. You are still a "pussy" and with time you will become better, don't worry. I was just like that.

No..you don't understand. 3 years ago when I gave her the flowers, me and her barely knew each other. I just came out of nowhere and gave her the flowers and stuff. That was 3 years ago. 3 years later on Valentine's Day, I remembered her so I posted on her wall, "Did you ever get 5 roses for V-day?" Now that does not mean that I'm trying to "check" if she got the flowers or not, I said it in a rhetorical manner on purpose. She knows she got the flowers, I know she got the flowers..I just alluded to it.

And you do not understand the meaning of being called a creep/stalker. I saw a guy in my class being called a creep by this really hot girl who has a boyfriend. He didn't say anything, he just sat there and gazed at her seductively. Few days later he ended up sitting next to her and slapping her ass. How come? Because he didn't give a shit what she said, he kept persisting at escalating with her and getting sexual. The girl fully enjoyed him after and she would be shy around him.

Being creepy is good. It's a concept that's VERY hard to grasp for all of you beginners because it's just so "out of the ordinary." You guys are so new to PU, that you all don't even see the evolution of PU tactics. You guys don't understand that the most powerful weapon at our disposal is giving pleasure. Sex is a drug, it releases chemicals. We have all the cocaine but we are keeping it closed up. I say we spread the cocaine all over the place and watch them get addicted to YOU. Pleasure is anything sexual from touch to compliment. It has NOTHING to do with YOU and how many instruments you play..and how many DHV stories you have. No wonder all of you guys take it personally when you get rejected because it's YOU that's being rejected, not your PLEASURE because you are offering no pleasure to start with, you're all trying to jump straight into winning the girl's AFFECTION towards you like a little boy wants from his mommie. Affection comes after pleasure. And giving pleasure is being seductive and being seductive means being rejected, getting called a creep, and all sorts of shit. That's all very normal. The problem is that none of you know how to deal with that so you just ignore seduction and move on to indirect ways to avoid being called a creep.

I just want to comment on your theory about men being hunters.Do you know how the best hunters in the world hunt?They lure their target to them,and when they are not aware,hunters strike.You see my point?It's easier to lure the girl to you,not chasing it.And btw,if we all are begginers and you're an expert,why don't you write a book or something?

Matija

Chris look at all your posts you douche, you get defensive after any post that points out how dumb you are sounding right now. But we are the thick headed ones for calling you out.

Sorry we can't comprehend your game that involves sending flowers to an "old" oneitis and using religion when throwing complements at women haha. Thats not pussy at all.

I guess we are all wrong though, you should propose a pilot to VH1 with these tactics and revolutionize the world of pickup. For example, you should teach how to run game on facebook, oh wait, your posts get deleted by the girl you just sent it to.

I have had a change of heart, and i thankyou Chris.. With this post you have made me realise that i don't need PUA and i will not be returning, from what you have done and how you act you have made me realise that i'm OK at Picking up women, I do not need PUA, i feel comfortable with-in myself now that i don't need any canned material or any tips. I hope all you guys come to realise this.. APART FROM CHRIS(You need to read this forum or do something to change) i understand Chris that your comfortable doing what your doing but it's weird.

I have realised today, that you, as yourself are good enough for whatever, some off you (like me) thought that this material will work. All it does is full your head with lines, thinking about how to implement into the conversation and therefore your not enjoying yourself, yet i believe being yourself, witty, funny or even serious will work, Confidence and body language is the key.

Good luck gentlemen if you continue to follow PUA, but i will not be.

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Lmao look at you man, you're a drama queen. Come back to this forum when you're a man will you? I don't get defensive, I just knew what sort of answers would come and I'm explaining it all out. But you guys don't listen carefully to ask questions and such, you guys post with emotion..calling me names and such. Listen kiddo, I bet I am way younger than you and I get more pussy than you've ever seen on all the porn sites you visited your teen years. And don't make a big deal out of using "religion"..I didn't try to convert the girl..I simply mentioned the name "Eve" so chill your panties. Don't make an exaggeration out of it Lindsay Lohan, come on now. (See, I'm a PRO at cocky & funny! I don't even have to try and read a whole book on it.) My point is that you're looking in the wrong direction.

And yes, you are all wrong. 90%+ of this community is wrong. It's called "community-fed bullshit." The best advice is the one that you think is most ridiculous, there is a reason for that. You don't understand how PU works. First off, PU begins with marketing. And a lot of the marketing is a sham. Companies first had the philosophy that routines and written lines were the way to PU. But then some guy like Mystery came along and said, "No no, you have to neg em'" So companies began to advertise that instead. Then came cocky & funny..then alpha male..inner game...natural game..Look man, you can find books and books on all that stuff, it's just mental masturbation I'm telling you. Yeah, there's a few good parts to them but in the end, they are not focused on the true aspect: how do I seduce this girl because we alllll know how well cocky & funny and all that other stuff works for us at the end of the day. So what man..you gave the girl a few laughs, congratulations. Now to her you may be more fun than her homosexual friend.

Look, if you want to do yourself a favor and learn something useful for once in your life, I reccomend you read 60 Years of Challenge. Google it, text removed by moderator for violation of forum rule #3. your next offense may result in a ban from the forum.. It's four books. And believe me, the author tells you exactly what I'm telling you now. Moderators in this whole community approve of it and they know the better truth than most of you as well but they don't bother trying to point a lot of people all at once in the right direction because beginners/ignorants like you would do the same to them like you do to me.

Chris. In one post, you have completely disagreed with everything I said (as expected), you have insulted 90% of this community, and you stated that everyone here is a "beginner" and your game is a lot better than ours. Congrats bro.

Now everyone, I'm gonna try keep this brief, as so this doesn't become a world-class long post. But that may not be possible, I got a lot to talk about. Firstly:
Why'd you give her flowers then dude? Did that get you anywhere? In all of your so called "reading," isn't that the golden rule? "Don't go buying girls drinks, you are just buying their attention. They will exploit this." So after this 3 year gap when you talked to her on facebook, what happened? Did that get you anywhere? If I remember correctly she deleted your post. Ouch.

Second: Stalker: someone unpleasantly strange or eccentric
Unpleasant: the quality of giving displeasure
Displeasure: the feeling of being displeased or annoyed or dissatisfied with someone or something
Dissatisfied: The girl who you gave roses on valentines day.

Credit to Google definitions for their excellent insight on this matter.

Third: After insulting everyone in this thread so far; and talking about the "evolution of PU" I was left with one question. How old are you dude? If you have seen PU evolve, you must be hundreds if not thousands of years old. Casanova is one name that comes to mind, a true PU artist. Was he a creep? I doubt it. But seriously, you sound like someone in their late teens, maybe early 20's. I'm in the same boat here. I am actually 18 years old. However, I am not a beginner to this, and I know what I am on about here. Please hide your pride and pay attention to what I have to say.

I'm gonna stop numbering these now, I forgot where I was up to:
I can't find the quote now, partly because I cbf reading through all that shit. However, you are right about one thing. You mentioned that it's not about what method you choose, which guru you follow, if you're a "Mystery follower" or whatever. It's about confidence. You wrote something similar to that, and I fully agree with you on there. I don't follow someone else's method. I have created my own, one that suits my game. And that's what I advise all of you on here to do. Adapt PARTS of these methods into YOUR game. Make it your own style. Be yourselves.
This guy's right too. You are getting defensive, and that may be because you feel like we are all against you, and bagging the shit through you. That is not correct. We are bagging the shit through your arrogance and stubbornness to not read, understand, and think about what advise we are giving to you. All I'm asking you to do, is once again: read what I have to say, and think about it. Knowing you, you'll disagree with what I am saying anyway, but at the end of the day, we're 2 different people. I do what I want. You do what you want.

This was fucken hilarious just had to add that in there.
If that's true, I'll eat my pet hamster. And I don't watch much porn either.

OK finally to conclude all of this: We all use PU for very different reasons. Me for instance, my main goal was to learn how to pick up chicks, to get into a LTR (long term relationship). Yes, hard to believe but I wanted one. And it worked for me. I am in a LTR at the moment, and I'm enjoying myself. Now for whatever reasons you study PU, which I have no objections to, I just urge you to take a minute and read everything on this thread so far. Put your beliefs aside. Don't be so arrogant thinking your way is right and everyone else is wrong. Everyone has their own style. You can do whatever the hell you want, follow your creep method I don't really care. All I care about is you getting to where you want to go. Good luck bro.

To be honest I forgot your original question. Seems like this thread has gone its own way

Hang on a minute though Chris - you've just abused the community saying that 90% of it is bullshit, yet you ask the community what they think about "the way you spoke to your old oneitis"... if they/we know nothing, THEN WHY ASK?