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[youtube]http://youtu.be/4nR3DOWVVh4[/youtube]

That's a video of me, but now my hair is shorter, it only come to chin length now.

http://youtu.be/4nR3DOWVVh4

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Here's another video of me without the hat, and without the sunglasses, and with my new shorter haircut

http://youtu.be/2DPzo_RG-N4

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Dude, when I saw those videos, I actually laughed; you are definitely not ugly. Regarding the second video though, I don't think your fringe is doing you any favours but then again, I'm not a stylist/fashion guru/whatever.

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by fringe you mean my hair? do you think i should cut it shorter?

maybe i'm kinda shy. but i mean i've never had a girl approach me and try to pick me up. i can't think of a single time. wouldnt that mean i'm ugly?

or is it just rare for girls to do that? i always thought girls usually went after what they wanted.

when i was growing up, i was raised by my great grandmother, and she was very overprotective and sheltered me alot, so i feel that kept me from learning important things that probably most guys learn from their father, brother, or friends as they are growing up.

none of which i had, since my biological father killed my identical twin brother, and my great grandmothers husband who was like a dad to me was killed when i was 13 and my great grand mother would never let me out of the house to socialise with anyone. so i just grew up isolated & alone, lacking in knowing how to develop relationships with girls or attract them. I didn't lose my virginity or even kiss a girl until I was 23 years old. Now I am 36.

If you got a laugh out of the first video, you should check out the video of me on judge judy, haha. now she was a mean woman, haha.

I guess I analise myself alot to understand why i tick the way i do.

i defenitely want to improvee myself with women. I would like to experience more women, as I've only had 1 girlfriend, for almost 12 years. I would like to be able to experience a different girl every weekend, do some living, have some fun. I'm going to start appying some of what i've been reading on here and will keep you updated with the results.

I wish I had known about this stuff 20 years ago.

I remember seeing some kind of movie in the 80's called the pick up artist, win jon cryer or something, but i had no idea that was based off something real.

I feel like maybe a whole new world is about to open up to me.

Thanks for the good words on my looks, now if I can only get women to view me as attractive.


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Hey man came across your thread. You moved me so I thought I'd give some two cent's.

Your far from ugly man, you'd be surprised what most girls consider attractive and ugly. You have to be much worse than that to ugly MUCH WORSE. Even then that guy could still pick up.

I noticed in your video first thing being your posture, you remember your mum or dad hounding you pull your shoulders back and straighten your back? Do it! It emphasizes your height. Straightens out your build, it's the difference between an ironed shirt and a one out of the closet.

In regards to your hair which seems to hold some topic. I'd say trim it all back get a nice short to medium length cut that accentuates the details of your face. This will bring out the structure of your face and removes the look which appears to me that your possibly hiding your face.

Clothing wise, this can be a huge influence on your game, I went from struggling to pick up to once a night without to much trouble simply by wearing a scarf? Tighten your clothes (don't go latex skin tight though lol) again it's all about accenuating your build. Your a tall man try some verticle pin stripe shirts with a nice feel and look. This stuff isn't neccesary but again there is no point in disadvantaging your self man.

Make sure if take any of this in that it's rough, I'm not saying go out change your self completely take what you'd like to try and give it a go. You gotta risk it for the biscuit. Spice things up if it works flaunt it, if it doesn't ditch it move on and try something else. Trial and error my friend.

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Anyone who takes a stab at you is generally so self concious about themselves that they have to put it on someone else. They verbally abusing you is really a reflection on themselves. Keep it in mind, plus don't try and think about what's going to happen sure keep notes on things but float with a few things. If your raft moves of path make it go back to the direction you need to go. Your in control of your life. Make your use it well.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PAeraGYKBE

This proves that you don't need great looks, great fashion sense, lack of an annoying accent and a cracking six pack to get women.

If you can find the rest of the interview you'll see this guy has screwed sixteen girls including a lesbian and virgins. Your ex sounds like a bitch but the fact you can have a relationship still puts you in better shoes than a lot of other people.

I've been studying PUA as well as general self-help for a year or so now and I'm only just starting to look really good. I went through my entire early-mid adolescence being a total fatass. Still got girls even then.

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You look fine dude. I would suggest maybe cleaning up and smartening the beard and hair if you're concerned about looks, but that's up to you. (The free-sprited artist/musician look appeals to some women)

You should try to improve your posture, it makes a big difference.

I think women aren't approaching you because you're not smiling. In order to be approached, you must look safe (not intimidating), confident, happy, normal, and look like you're having a good time. (Otherwise, why should she approach you, she'll end up bored, depressed, or raped for all she knows). By smiling you give off all of these positive vibes. It helps to have friends nearby because that helps with your social proof, most rapists don't have friends.

About body language, don't stand in a wide stance all the time, it makes it look like you want to fight. Go for a more relaxed stance, for example legs shoulder width or slightly more than shoulder width apart, lean to one side and put 4 fingers in one pocket (thumb out), body half facing the girl.

BTW, just making sure here, you do tell girls you play the guitar, right? Girls love guys that play guitar, many will probably fuck you just for that.

As for abs, yeah dude it's easy. Do this:
* As many sit-ups as you can. Hands resting behind ears (NOT head).
(Rest 1-2 minutes)
* As many sit-ups as you can. Hands resting behind ears, this time touch your elbow to your opposite knee every time you go up, alternating left & right.
(Rest 1-2 minutes)
* As many bicycle crunches as you can. Google this one, there's pictures, videos, etc. and it's scientifically proven to be the best exercise for abs. Basically you just lie on your back, touch knees to opposite elbows, knees are bent at 90 degree angle (or so) when they meet your elbow. A bit hard to get the hang of, but do it, it's awesome.

Takes 10 minutes or so. Do it 3-4 times a week. Make sure you're eating well. Stick to the program and you'll start noticing results in a few weeks, and should have some nice definition within a couple months. Don't expect to look like arnold in this time, but you'll notice results.

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Everything matters . . . your looks, your abs, your hat, great grandma, guitar, etc . . . However, you're randomly pulling these things out of thin air without any regard to an overall pick up strategy. This is like walking into a music store and picking up a random instrument without any thoughts as to what type of music you want to play.

So you got your 'feel it out' thread out of the way. If you're interested in really giving this thing a shot, then consider creating a journal in the FR section. Read the journals of guys who have more than just a few pages. Model your journal after their examples.

Couple of thoughts:

1. Abs: Working on only abs is like a newbie learning only the guitar solo of a song. Even his solo will improve if he learns the whole song right? If you want to get fit, find a trainer or at least do an online search for an overall fitness program.

2. Your social habits/tendencies probably have been influenced a lot by your past. Whether it's through a therapist, counselor, church, meditation, etc . . . you might want to address some issues. (You might also consider reading this inner-game-book-recommendation-vt84555.html )

3. We see a hot chick and we pop boners; it's simple. Girls on the other hand ping a bunch of different radars. They've got the 'creep' radar, 'cool' radar, 'popular' radar, etc . . . and essentially, all of this data gets crunched in a complex real-time female-o-calculator. This is how they judge 'attractiveness'. And this is why the 'guys' here are perplexed to why girls would label you 'unattractive' just by looking at your outer appearance.

If girls labeled you 'unattractive' in the past, then there might be some truth in it. The interesting thing is that you can control a lot of the 'data' that goes into the female-o-calculator to shift the results; THIS is 'game'.


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I don't think looks matter too much for a guy as people make out. The girls should be more concerned! Girls are scrutinised by guys for how they look a lot more. Girls focus more towards the confidence and character (alpha male?) of the male.

I'm a good looking guy (dated a lingerie model and a Cheryl Cole lookalike), but it's all superficial. It's not real. I've seen ugly guys in clubs do better than me because they have better game. If you have the confidence, character and ultimately 'the game' then which girl wouldn't go for a guy like that?

I watched both seasons of the Pick-up Artist in the last week and it's inspired me to no end. Kosmo started out standing in the club on his own looking lost, nervous and frail and ultimately he went on to win the first series of the Pick-up Artist (although I was more impressed by Brady (especially with the exotic dancer)).

Basically mate, I think you should stop worrying so much about looks as they are just superficial. Everybody's different. Some people get lucky in the gene pool; others don't.

Just gain the confidence and charisma of a PUA, develop good game, and you'll be successful.


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You know what you are not an ugly man.
Imagine if you were him!
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... 29,r:0,s:0

Trust me dude it could be so much worse!
The only reason your GF said you was ugly etc is because you were braking up and it was her defence mechanism, She shouted and abused you because she was heartbroken she wont of meant any of them things she said!!

The way you dress i think rocks. Your basically peacoking without knowing it! All you need to do now is build up on your inner game. As confidence is the main thing with the game.

I like to read through this website http://www.brotipshq.com/

Its realy good at little quotes that will help to motivate you. I have a bunch of these printed of and stuck all around my flat. On the fridge, On some mirrors, On the walls so that i read them and they remind me just how fucking amazing i am.

It seems like your coming out of a relationship so your confidence is shattered, I suggest opening and finding out how nice people can be!

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thanks, i'm going to check out those journals.


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I think you should try letting go of the long hair- try clean shaven and close haircut, you will look like a whole new man, and might feel like a stud. Hair can make or break a personal image.

Hey, at least you don't have severe acne (like me), and you're not fat. Consider the character Barney in How I Met Your Mother- basically changed his dress style and cleaned up the hair, did a 180 and went from dumped hippie/musician to stud.

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Check out this website, and look at the top at the picture of David X - not exactly classically attractive is he? Fucked like 1000s of women www.directdatingsummit.com

Here's Tom Torero, a well established PUA here in London who gets great results

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Not what you'd call "hot" is he?

Looks really don't matter! Many guys in the music business who are skinny and wear the same kind of stuff as you, who aren't even tall (women's NUMBER ONE physical attraction feature from my experience) get laid TONS! Why? Because they go around with a certain amount of swagger and confidence that comes from being a successful musician, having groupies throwing themselves at them, and getting paid.

But guess what? You don't actually NEED the money, the success or the groupies! You can build that same confidence through just going out, hitting on girls, and building on every little success as you break through your sticking points.

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Well, if you'd feel better with a six pack, then get one, learn how to be a pua, it will really help you. And not only with picking up girls, these programs have done wonderful things for a lot of people.


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