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Ryan, all this your doing is awesome! I mean, I am learning alot just reading from other peoples questions and your answers to them. Anywho, I would like to ask something.

Me and this girl I met just went on our first date, 3 days ago. It started with a hug and got all the way to caressing and a make out. In a text conversation the next day she said we should hang out, I said "heck yeah, where at?", she said "my bed". I didnt say anything back and she texted again and said "Jk, your not allowed in there...yet ;)". I said "Oh if you saw me in my sexy bed outfit you would be beggin ;)". I also asked about hanging out and watching a movie for our second meet. She said that would be awesome.

Its now three days after the date, and we were texting, but we havent really set anything up and the texting has sort of been "bleh" today. If you want me to write the text out I can. But basically, how should I approach this? We havent done a second date, but we did make out on the first one, but I doubt im in the position where I need a mini freeze. Whats the best way to get into a good place where I can sexually escalate, because I will go for the lay if I can (after KINO and all that stuff obviously).
Stop texting so much.

You're doing fine, she obviously likes you. Just send her an invite with the choice of two possible days, and take things from there.

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after a date, when do u make a next call to arrange the next date?
If we have sex, I'll always text the next day saying that I had a fun time (not mentioning anything about sex specifically) and maybe a little joke about something we talked about or something that happened. No invite yet.

If not, I'll wait a day or two and send her something random or funny.

Then after another day or two, send the invite.

The basic idea is - keep yourself in her mind, but don't go for the invite immediately afterwards.

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Quick question, since I've read something on point in several of your posts--most recently in the Anti-PU thread:
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This is generally why I advocate open / polyamorous relationships, precisely because they acknowledge the jealousy issue, and work on the basis of people choosing to be together because they're having a fun time, and the bond and level of emotional investment developing over time, rather than forcing one party to accept demands and make promises, that are often broken anyway. The concept of each partner having to initially accept that they're probably also with multiple others may seem difficult to handle initially, but over time if it's your base assumption it becomes easier to deal with, and is far better, in my opinion, than having to deal with the nagging worry of whether your partner is lying and cheating behind your back.
I find that I no longer become emotionally invested in girls, probably for a number of reasons. One, I have an abundance of them around, and once I've slept with one the excitement goes away. Two, there are very few girls who can live up to me: attractive, fun, intelligent, educated, driven, successful, traveled, adventurous (sounds cocky, but just take it as a given). So my question is, how do build emotional connections, once you've got an abundance?

From my AFC days, I know that I used to get attached, by putting the girl on a pedestal and wanting to be loved by her. Since I've become independently happy, obviously, that no longer happens.


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hi new too all this needing few tip on how to create attraction in her make her feel a connection with me..?


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Quick question, since I've read something on point in several of your posts--most recently in the Anti-PU thread:
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This is generally why I advocate open / polyamorous relationships, precisely because they acknowledge the jealousy issue, and work on the basis of people choosing to be together because they're having a fun time, and the bond and level of emotional investment developing over time, rather than forcing one party to accept demands and make promises, that are often broken anyway. The concept of each partner having to initially accept that they're probably also with multiple others may seem difficult to handle initially, but over time if it's your base assumption it becomes easier to deal with, and is far better, in my opinion, than having to deal with the nagging worry of whether your partner is lying and cheating behind your back.
I find that I no longer become emotionally invested in girls, probably for a number of reasons. One, I have an abundance of them around, and once I've slept with one the excitement goes away. Two, there are very few girls who can live up to me: attractive, fun, intelligent, educated, driven, successful, traveled, adventurous (sounds cocky, but just take it as a given). So my question is, how do build emotional connections, once you've got an abundance?

From my AFC days, I know that I used to get attached, by putting the girl on a pedestal and wanting to be loved by her. Since I've become independently happy, obviously, that no longer happens.
Well, seems to me like you figured out how to attract and seduce women, but now that you've "beaten the last level" over and over again, you're bored.

Time to change the rules of the game!

Right now, you're still stuck in the "these are the things I have to do to get the girl to like me and sleep with me," part. And, you're good at it. Great!

Now, take those skills, and move on to the next part - "is this girl even worth spending time getting to know in the first place?"

You've said yourself what qualities you're looking for. So, right there, you have the basis of a lot of REAL disqualifiers and good screening / qualification material. Using it correctly will mean only using your well-honed seduction skilz on women who you actually would like to spend time with outside of the bedroom, and then you can focus on building lasting MLTRs with the best 3 or 4 you can find :-)

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hi new too all this needing few tip on how to create attraction in her make her feel a connection with me..?
1. Make a good 1st impression - body language, dress, voice tonality all important
2. Start your interaction with an emotional spike - something a little bit different that grabs her attention. It can be a sincere compliment, a funny observation, or even something slightly cheeky or rude, done playfully. SMILE
3. After introducing yourself, tell her things about herself, make assumptions, and generally find out stuff about her without asking normal boring questions
4. Talk a bit about yourself, mainly in the form of interesting, funny stories
5. Touch her a little
6. Find a time to sit down and get to know her on a more deep level - talk about her past, her ambitions in life, ideals, etc. DO NOT go to this step until you have made it clear you're attracted to her (I prefer to accomplish that via the compliment at step 2)
7. Sexually escalate

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Now, take those skills, and move on to the next part - "is this girl even worth spending time getting to know in the first place?"

You've said yourself what qualities you're looking for. So, right there, you have the basis of a lot of REAL disqualifiers and good screening / qualification material. Using it correctly will mean only using your well-honed seduction skilz on women who you actually would like to spend time with outside of the bedroom, and then you can focus on building lasting MLTRs with the best 3 or 4 you can find :-)
Thanks Ryan, good stuff. Now, I was afraid you might say something to that effect. Because as you move up, the air gets thinner. Where I live at the moment, for instance, women rarely possess more than a few of those qualities. Guess I'll just have to follow your advice, whilst doing what I've been doing to appease my libido...


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Hi Ryan/Blondguy congrats to the promotion:)

Over to the question. I have been into the gaming world for a year now and been focused on clubs and bars. My biggest problem by far is the approach and my strong side is when i have contact and going into the midgame. Now i want to learn some daygame!

1. How did you transition from nightgame to daygame?

2. Is there any reading/videos that will bring some deeper insights into the world of daygame?
1. I learned a few direct openers, learned how to get in front and stop a girl on the street, and then just went out every Saturday and Sunday from noon - 8pm doing approaches! It's a lot easier than nightgame, especially if you already have good conversational skills / midgame. Since I already could continue a conversation pretty well in nightgame, it made everything pretty easy for me because the openers tend to hook the girls that are interested immediately, so then you just start talking about shit and they'll stick around.

2. Mode One: Tell Women What You're Really Thinking by Alan Roger Currie is the best book I've read about the direct mindset. If you've ever been friendzoned, it's the book for you!
Hey I just thought this post should be emphasized because so many people are looking for the magic pill and i realized that this is currently what I am doing to get better at this.

I read mode one and think its a great read learned some direct openers that suit my personality of what I would say, and then i watched some videos on how to stop girls in the street and just been out doing approaches.

i dont approach as much as 12-8 though, but its one thing to read a post on the forum and believe but another when i live it. Girls actually enjoy being approached directly

I am a big fan of direct game and i can say that reading Blondeguy's (Ryan Oceros) posts and watching sasha videos have made a huge impact on my style of game and i find that direct cuts out alot of the BS and you can create attraction because you come in with such a huge emotional spike.

i can get numbers fairly easily now and my new sticking point is trying to get girls to stop flaking.

My current proposed answer is now im starting to "seed" my conversations while im still in set. Starting to give the idea of meeting up when i meet her so that when i call her she will already be more open to meeting up. What do you think of this solution and could you offer any other advice


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Hey Ryan,

I was wondering what is your favorite way to deal with LMRs?


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Hi Ryan/Blondguy congrats to the promotion:)

Over to the question. I have been into the gaming world for a year now and been focused on clubs and bars. My biggest problem by far is the approach and my strong side is when i have contact and going into the midgame. Now i want to learn some daygame!

1. How did you transition from nightgame to daygame?

2. Is there any reading/videos that will bring some deeper insights into the world of daygame?
1. I learned a few direct openers, learned how to get in front and stop a girl on the street, and then just went out every Saturday and Sunday from noon - 8pm doing approaches! It's a lot easier than nightgame, especially if you already have good conversational skills / midgame. Since I already could continue a conversation pretty well in nightgame, it made everything pretty easy for me because the openers tend to hook the girls that are interested immediately, so then you just start talking about shit and they'll stick around.

2. Mode One: Tell Women What You're Really Thinking by Alan Roger Currie is the best book I've read about the direct mindset. If you've ever been friendzoned, it's the book for you!
Hey I just thought this post should be emphasized because so many people are looking for the magic pill and i realized that this is currently what I am doing to get better at this.

I read mode one and think its a great read learned some direct openers that suit my personality of what I would say, and then i watched some videos on how to stop girls in the street and just been out doing approaches.

i dont approach as much as 12-8 though, but its one thing to read a post on the forum and believe but another when i live it. Girls actually enjoy being approached directly

I am a big fan of direct game and i can say that reading Blondeguy's (Ryan Oceros) posts and watching sasha videos have made a huge impact on my style of game and i find that direct cuts out alot of the BS and you can create attraction because you come in with such a huge emotional spike.

i can get numbers fairly easily now and my new sticking point is trying to get girls to stop flaking.

My current proposed answer is now im starting to "seed" my conversations while im still in set. Starting to give the idea of meeting up when i meet her so that when i call her she will already be more open to meeting up. What do you think of this solution and could you offer any other advice
Glad to hear the stuff has been helping you!

Basically flaking is always gonna be a problem. I usually expect to only see 50-75% of the girls I n-close again. Which ones, I have no idea. Sometimes 10 minutes of solid amazing comfort building will do nothing, other times a quick 2 minute approach and close, and I'll end up dating them for 6 months.

The best way to reduce your flaking is to make at least one kind of solid connection, and leverage that to set up an actual date at the time - either go on an insta-date itself if you like that and are comfortable with it, or simply suggest the date during the initial approach and actually end the close with "so I'll see you at X place at Y time and we'll go do Z, it's gonna be great!" so she's a lot more committed to seeing you again than just "I'll call you sometime and we'll hang out."

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I was wondering what is your favorite way to deal with LMRs?
1. Make her horny first - talk about sex, build sexual tension, be a sexual threat

2. Don't push too hard. Lead her by taking every act of compliance as a "green light" to take the next step forward.

3. Don't be needy. If she feels like you NEED sex and are trying to get it out of her, she'll lose attraction for you pretty quick.

4. Don't react. If she rejects a kiss attempt or anything, just ignore it and try again a bit later. Most girls will do this to not seem too easy, and to see if you're a man and won't react like a little bitch.

5. Don't use logic to "convince" her that sex is a good idea. If she brings up the standard "but I don't know you" bullshit, the correct response is to just say "ok or "I understand," then do something else and change the subject, get her horny again, and then try again. It is NOT to give her 17 reasons why you actually DO know each other quite well already and why it's totally normal to have sex with people within 3 hours of meeting.

6. The classic mystery method freeze out does generally work. [When she stops you, break contact and do something else like change the music, then go back and continue later.] However, you must do it in a completely non-reactive way. It doesn't work if she feels like you're doing it because you're angry or sad.

7. Don't worry! In general, girls that are clearly into you, but are holding themselves back from going all the way are USUALLY doing so because they actually like you a lot, and want to see you again. The fact that you're taking things a bit too quick for them is NOT a bad thing. It shows you desire them, which turns them on, and they will likely want to see you again. It's a much better place to be in, than if you have the opportunity to escalate further with them, and DON'T. That feels like a rejection to them, and if a girl is ready to have sex and you refuse, you may likely NOT get another chance with her again.

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Hi Ryan, nice to meet you mate.

I'm guessing by some of your posts that you're based in the London area. I'm personally from the midlands, however I went out in London on Saturday night (was down at Spurs for the football, so we stayed over in Russel Square).

Me and another mate decided that the tourists who were out and about would be easy targets to approach, as they wouldn't have many inibitions what with being in a foreign country etc etc. Therefore we hit a few bars/clubs in Leicester Square (mistake?)

To cut a long story short, we met these 3 Irish girls on the street, who we went to a bar with. I got with one of them, my friend got with another. However, the 3rd girl was being needy, and telling them she wanted to go bla bla. We held out, and got a taxi back with them about 4am. We tried to convince them (as it was their last night in England) that they should come back to ours for drinks and a bit of an after-party. They decided against it, as they 'couldnt leave their mate'.. we invited her too, but she wasn't having it.

My question therefore is, how can you beat the numbers game and get a successful f-close!?

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Hi Ryan, nice to meet you mate.

I'm guessing by some of your posts that you're based in the London area. I'm personally from the midlands, however I went out in London on Saturday night (was down at Spurs for the football, so we stayed over in Russel Square).

Me and another mate decided that the tourists who were out and about would be easy targets to approach, as they wouldn't have many inibitions what with being in a foreign country etc etc. Therefore we hit a few bars/clubs in Leicester Square (mistake?)

To cut a long story short, we met these 3 Irish girls on the street, who we went to a bar with. I got with one of them, my friend got with another. However, the 3rd girl was being needy, and telling them she wanted to go bla bla. We held out, and got a taxi back with them about 4am. We tried to convince them (as it was their last night in England) that they should come back to ours for drinks and a bit of an after-party. They decided against it, as they 'couldnt leave their mate'.. we invited her too, but she wasn't having it.

My question therefore is, how can you beat the numbers game and get a successful f-close!?

Bod x
Ah yes, how annoying!

Girls will almost ALWAYS turn down the possibility of sex with a guy, however much she likes him, in order to leave with their friends so nobody is left out.

Given this, the most important thing is to always make sure the friend likes you.

From here, you had 2 main options.

The first is to integrate a random dude into your group and get him to take the friend away for you. This is pretty straightforward as you're offering the guy the chance to get laid, so he'll like you, and as long as she's not too ugly, it should be fine.

The second would be to hit on both girls and put together a threesome for one of you guys, or a group sex situation, depending on what you're comfortable with. That would be mainly down to getting the girls to talk about the naughtiest things they've ever done, make it a bit competitive, get them to kiss each other, and escalate things from there. Obviously not always gonna work, but definitely worth a shot ;-)

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He's an absolute LEGEND!

His 2 rules and "Honesty, Trust and Respect" are really simple inner game principles that have helped me have authentic, honest and direct interactions with women without any bullshit theories or manipulative lines or routines. I very much like that he's somewhat apart from the whole community and the stupid jargon we all end up using, and the fact that he's a true natural who's fucked a shitload of girls also makes what he says even more compelling.

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