Alrighty guys I'm just looking for some thoughts here.

Background:

Started to take interest in a girl who wanted to start dating a few years back (she got a lot hotter). Saw her whilst sarging in town with a mate, decided to have a crack at it. Things went very smooth, got her to wear my scarf let her be for a while started talking outside. Smooth escalation/kino finished with a K-close.

My mate being the great wing he is took care of most the guys and her friend. Her friend by the way was a serious box blocker. Anyway continuing her friend dissapeard me and my friend ended up leaving. On our way out we spot the HB who was sitting with some guy at the taxi rank. Wing took the guy out of the picture so me and HB could talk. Offered her a lift home she accepted, drove home she was pretty wasted at this point K-close outside of house.

Next Day:

Talking to her, brought up topics of the night before hand in an attempt to re kindle previous night's emotions. Asked her if she wanted to catch up for lunch or something. The phrased I used was something out DD's books "We can catch up have something to eat if it goes well it goes well, if it doesn't then we can just continue to be friends". Then the hammer struck, her reply "Can we just skip to the second option?". I of course didn't want to sound needy or AFC reply'd "sure I see no problem in that." Of course I did but I thought it was better to not go AFC as possible in order for future attempts.

Now this part of future game is a bit new to me, initial nights sure easy as. Approach, opening sets, that I can do but continuing after the initial night is new game to me. Where would I find a good run down of this, and perhaps is this game retrievable or do I shake and bake do some reading and attempt on a different set?

Your thoughts are much appreciated Kiddo's

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This is a day two. or close to it. Just run with the punches. Keep things C&F. You have attraction and are going into suduction. If your asking more about a relationship look under that part of the forum. If you just looking to F-close use some push-pull and other methods you have obviously practiced. Intice her.

I don't think there is any real reason to neg anymore unless she gets out of line. I don't usually make it much past 3-4 dates because "the game" is gone and there is no prize at the end. I find if a girl conforms or is to easer to like me I push them away. My most succesful relationship took 4-12 weeks of playfull banter before sex to really develop. Next thing you know I was in a relationship. Liked it but without the chase and tease I wouldn't have allowed myself to truly get to know her.

I guess it depends on what your looking for. Do you have problems holding conversations and running an actual date rather than a club/bar setting?

I aint a PUA so I tend not to give any advice as such, i take in the advice but one thing that I think you did wrong is to actually give her that second option.

Why mention it? Why not just say lets go hang out, go for coffee, dinner anything and thats that?

I have never said lets go hang out and see where it goes etc cos it puts pressure on the girl and on yourself.

Once you get the girl out then you show your intentions rather than say it.

Anyways I could be very wrong more seasoned PUAs etc may say the opposite

I agree, the initial game is the most fun. Anything after that I grow bored, feelings die down and the sorts. But every now and then I like to have a go at building a solid relationship. So far she's one I'd actually wouldn't mind attempting, she's intriguing enough for me to bite the bait.

I haven't had much experience in running a date I can hold conversation. In my experience dumming down conversation makes for easy flow. But creating a date flow I have limited experience. I'm looking to much into a F-Close for this but would actually rather see how it plays out.

To answer your question, I find it much easier to perform initial gaming within club's. Being a DJ carries big social proofing and the likes. But I can perform just as well when I'm out and about not playing.

The big issue I'm failing to see how I can fix is the fact that she doesn't want to continue. More in depth, her excuses for not wanting to were:

"I have to much drama revolving around guys already"
"I got a list of guy problems I can't even keep track off"

To me this seemed pretty piss poor effort of an excuse which is why I'm wondering wether to pursue my options with her?

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My bad for double posting. Re: Johnny

But from what I'v read and gathered, the second option is meant to cause indifference with the other times she has been asked out. Mostly to show she has to qualify for you and not the other way round. It was a theory by David Deangelo I had not tested out. I partially agree it's not very... Well assertive but if the evidence is there I don't mind trying it out

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Ahh ok, so by giving advice I have learnt something.

What I have learnt from all this though is that there is so so much to PUA that we forget to be ourselves and forget to do what WE want. What I mean is that sometimes we make things complicated by "keeping to the guidelines" and sometimes the step is not either appropriate, relevant or applicable to the situation.

If you hadnt used the indifference tactic the chances are you would have gone out, you wouldn't have had that mindset of being in an unfamiliar territory and ultimately you would have gone out and had some fun as you would have treated it like a date from the get go. her frame would have changed to be consistent with you

I dont see anything wrong with just asking a girl out and being kinda obvious about it, obviously without saying the word "date" etc.

Oh and as for your situation, I say you pursue it but show her that you are different from the other guys, that you will make her smile and laugh and show her a good time. you could be her get out.

Oh Definitely Johnny.

There is one vital point to PUA which I think a lot of people overlook. If you don't personalize it's no where near as effective. Your entire game will look like scrambled eggs not one piece looking like the other all together confusing and highly inefficient.

But yes I would like to pursue it, I do have thought's though that showing her a good time and being that "other guy, all around nice person" could lead me up into the friend zone. (A place I am all to familiar with from prior PUA days. I passionately hate the friend zone.)

But on the other side of the coin she obviously has current standing issue's provided that it was not just a excuse or shit test to see how much I actually wanted her. Going in as the part asshole could leave me empty handed and possibly despised. She did say her last ex was highly aggressive.

All in all, I'm going interstate for a few nights. So big sarging weekend . Then I'm playing with Bone Thug's and Harmony on the next weekend. So possibly take her to that and see how we go.

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A woman brought you into this world, so you have no right to disrespect one - Tupac