I love how we have minimized girls to Blah blah blah or (whatever) haha
What they say in response to what we say doesn't matter, they are all programed to respond the same way... some of them (very very VERY few) break the mold, and the crazy thing is those are the ones we actually give a shit about, the only girls the pua's find "different and special" are the ones we don't fool, the ones we cant "pick up." The ones that break the mold. Even in the book, "The Game" the one girl Style ends up with is the one who wouldn't fall for the bullshit we feed girls.

It's crazy that any of us who have studied and practiced pick up and have no trouble getting any girl, any night we want, and are still looking for a girl that gives you more. None of the girls we bring home night after night satisfy more than our purely sexual desire for more than a night or two. So what is the goal? We have the means, so what is the end?

I got into pick up to meet a girl I could marry, and I know that is not the same reason everyone gets into pick up. But it seems that this has brought me even more distant in finding that reality. I can get what ever I want in one night, and if not the first time I meet her, then the second is sure to be an easy lay.

Where are the girls who actually stand for something, do they exist?

I fear that sadly the answer is no, or at least they are such a small minority.

So I pose one question, what is the end to our means?

I will sy that I slightly agree with you. Truth of the matter is I too want someone with a backbone. Someone that keeps me interested, plays the game a little bit but yet has some depth. I do believe it is out there. Instead of sleeping with the females you might want to continue with your pick-up and once you know it's going to be an easy lay, hold off.

Human are creatures of habbit. If you looking for more than you and only you have the ability to achieve it. Use your pick-up skills to meet more women. Acting on you pure lust desire is disceplin. Try to develop a base in a relationship before going to the next level. You control your own destiny

I'm here for the same reason. I don't have anything against pua, actually I think it's pretty intriguing, and I've been studying it.

I'm two years out of what was basically a marriage without the papers. We were together for over a decade, had a child, put each other through college, bought a house, had plans, and it all went kaput.

The thing was, I didn't know anything about pua back then, and I guess I was a little afc, but not really too much.

I always encouraged her to have her own friends and her own life. I mean, these aren't just words, I actively encouraged her to enjoy those things without my interference.

I encouraged her through college and into a professional career, instead of trying to keep her barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen. In fact, when it ended she brought over 60% of the income into our household. This is a girl I met living in the ghetto with her drug-addict parents.

I had my own life, my own hobbies, and I definitely have a backbone. Anybody who has read any of my posts on this forum can tell that I have a backbone, lol. I never cowtowed to her bullshit.

I kept it interesting. I wasn't a boring person. And even she admits to this day, now after the fact, that no one has fucked her or will likely fuck her as good as I did. In fact, she actively pursued trying to get me back into bed after we split, but I explained that if what I wanted was "pussy" that I could get that anywhere and that all I ever wanted was "the woman I loved".

So, yeah, I'm here not so much to learn how to pick up chicks, although I may at some point do that when the mood so strikes me. I've had preliminary success with some of the techniques I've learned on this website. I'm actually here to learn what it is that I did wrong, what it is that I could do better, what it is that I missed. You know? To try to be a "better man" by attempting to understand the female psyche more.

What I've noticed is that everything is circling the drain, not just my past relationships, but society as a whole. I'm not some uber conservative anally-retentive zealot, but you don't have to be that to realize just how fucked up society-as-a-whole is becoming. I'm not sure if all these women acting like soulless skanks is because that is just how women are or if it's just a smaller portion of EVERYTHING going to hell.

But yeah, I've pretty much given up hope on women. I'm not mad at them. I don't hate them. It's not like that. It's moreso that I'm coming to believe that the only way to get the affection of a woman long term is to play games. And, you know, being with someone (a life partner, a wife, whatever) should not be about playing. It should be about "living" and "loving". It seems to me that women simply are not satisfied with men in general. They always want more, more, more...more than what they have. It's not enough to have a person who loves them and supports them and takes care of them and feeds them and fucks them right. Jeez, sounds like a sweet deal to me, how about you guys?

Would you oppose a woman:
- paying for you
- taking care of you
- supporting you
- feeding you
- clothing you
- and fucking you silly

???

The thing is I know how to act like a pua, but that's just it, it's an act. And that is entirely unfulfilling. I know I can land pussy doing it as I've done it in the past, but like the original poster said, that is not entirely fulfilling. I would actually like a relationship. Problem is, every woman I've ever been with has been a fickle cheater. Some might say that makes me the problem, you know, the common denominator. Maybe there is some truth to that, but does "being the problem" equate "being guilty". I don't think so, attracting women with scrupals may be my problem, but they are still the guilty ones. Guilty of having no conscience, no decency, no loyalty, no honesty, no integrity.

I don't think I'll ever understand the female psyche. Can you guys imagine living without those things? Those things that make a man ... a "man": respect, our word is our bond, a handshake seals the deal, we work hard, we do what we say, and we say what we mean, we stand up for what we believe in.

I can't imagine the empty depleted existence of being a woman and not having any of the "integrity" that manhood has taught me.

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I agree with both of you guys, it's just that there are tons and tons of hot women out there, but oh so few with class and respect for themselves.

Nearly all of these girls are tricked because we break down their self esteem by using negs, interrupting them paying attention to the friends not the target, all of this so the target believes that they are not good enough. And it works. they have such low self esteem.

Anyway guys sorry for the rant

Thanks for the replies, just had a kinda moment of realization.

I think you've answered your own question already, one thing I've learned in the past is that certain issues in a girls childhood would take decades to be completely vanished, and IMHO girls with a bad childhood aren't able to run a good relationship over a longer period of time (as bad as that sounds). Maybe you didn't do anything wrong, maybe you both just had bad luck because she had a bad childhood...

Yeah, I've bounced that idea around. Problem is, I had a REALLY bad childhood and it turned me into a decent dude. So I can't see how it turns other people into heathens. LOL

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what dr. house brings to medicine, i bring to everyday life (an extreme dose of cynicism), don't listen to the curmudgeon!