The one wepon that can destroy any barrier if used right is not pick up, flirt, or be a gentleman or even bad boy. the one thing that should be tought from the beggining and be told not to abuse of it is Seduction.

many guys think that just by getting a woman's number or kissing them or even sleeping with them that they are being seductive and seduction is tougher than most can think in achieving, why am i saying this things? reason is that women get bored easily and they sometimes want to try something new. you might think that you just seduced them but probaly they are just looking for a one night stand and women do know more about us than we know about them.

women know more about us is because we are just more rational and go with what we are pretty sure is the right thing. women go by emotions thats why you can put 10 men to do a labor and most likely we would go the same way around, women on the other hand would go different ways.

So not everything is going to woark you gotta know and try different things with them, try deepening your voice lower it tell them something that would make their toes crawl of the censation that they want you but they dont know how to get around throw them lil bits of information and make their imagiation go around. be a little misterious yet give in a lil bit into her.

but like i said seduction is an Art a real art, that is the art that we see James Bond do and heard of Cassanova, Cleopatra (who is said that was not even beautiful), Marlyin monroe and others that by being seductive using their voice and inmagination could control anyones emotions. thats the way you will actually conquer a woman, and not even women, in buissness and so many things.

i am going to tell you one of the ways i was seductive, i would write to any girl when MySp was going aroud and meet women, i would flirt with them and then they woul come and drive 45 mins to my city and then go on a date (i always liked to go for girls out of my city since everyone can get to know you), in the first date i would tell them i am a PU Afficionado and that i love seducing women, i know right there that her wall was going all the way to the clouds and protect herself around me, guess what i did then, i would change the conversation and tell her about atlantis, crystal skulls and such i would have her in my arms that day not wanting to go home and by mostly by the 3rd date she was doing anything for me.

well i just gave you some insight of the ways i go for, i only use PU lines once a red green moon (extremely rare ocations), i go to the real workout harder yet more productive.

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This IS the real way to go but unfortunately many people on here don't understand. What this community wants is to separate itself from the "average guy" in order to have success. Being seductive DOES make you like every other guy hitting on a girl HOWEVER, there is a point in seduction where you can eventually separate yourself from all the other guys if you are persistent, keep it adorable, and never break rapport.

it does seem like AFC style you are right on that but it is not what you do with seduction but how. many people try seduction but it comes as fake or not well triggered, i learned flirt from my cousin who was one o heck of a player and one day he told me i was not going to be good at getting girls and a while after that i had his girlfriend with me even though i was younger.

i used to be adored by girls just because my hair and then i observed them when they wouldnt let me hang with my friends, i didnt see this as a bother but a way to learn women behavior and how their wires work. i been a Rake for 4 years i have a great girl and still flirt with girls just to mess around and it is rare when i dont get a girls phone number when i try just for the heck of it. i am not just about PU but as a rake i am designed for seduction.

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Yeah I see what you mean. Elaborating the point you brought up about AFC:
I think the people you are talking about trying seduction and coming off as fake and failing is because they do it to seek female affection first. Proper seduction should be seeking the girl's pleasure first and once that happens, then the girl and guy can snuggle and the girl will finally develop affection for him.

Take a look at broken relationships and ex-chasing. Why does an ex chase their "loved one"? Because they seek their affection again. You never really see an ex chasing and begging for sex, but instead to regain that affection once more. And I think that's what makes guys AFCs, they seek that affection from girls before there was even a relationship.

yes that is exactly true. they look for the affection thay once have and a reason why is because they dont even know most of the times what they did to get each others affection and stop and one or both dont feel the same and thats when one breaks up the other is left confused. and probaly do the same thing that would be the reason why the relationship didnt work at the end.

probably you have heard of the Rakes and Ardent rakes, what is first most inprotant is the other persons pleasure, and that is your pleasure, for me to be able to pleasure another woman is a great gift the only thing is that then they get to attached and canot see to stop going after you that is a reason why i have dated so many women not because i dont pleasure myself but because they become addicted to the pleassure instead of loking for it in small doses.

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It happens with guys too though. There's nothing wrong with a girl getting more attached to you, sex is something that's supposed to bring people together because there's pleasure from it..it's a drug, it releases chemicals. I think what you're referring to is when they get the fear of losing that pleasure. It could be as a result of wanting to protect their "investment" (you) once you're theirs. I see it as a natural response, but only right when they still acknowledge that you're more important and not the girls chasing you.

There's even a quote, "If you want to keep love, give it wings."

its not just the sex its the attention and itsd not good to have a person like that to emotionaly attached is not healthy for either of them and can become some type of obssecion. it does happen to alot of guys, i had my best friend in that same possition only thing he was a virgin and his ex was just playing him all the time. and now he is relaxed has another girlfriend and has no worries.

and i tought him seduction the only thing was that i told him there was going to be consequences if he abuses of the knowledge. we often are lost and do things the wrong way but when we are taught the right way we better ourselved. dont you think that many people are just blinded just because they look for someone just for the company not because affection they hurt the feelings of others making it worse for the next person trying to step in.

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Your friend's relationship was unbalanced. Hey, there's nothing wrong with being really emotionally attached to someone as long as they are the same to you, everyone wins. I was in his situation except it was the girl and not me. What happened is that I eventually ended up leaving her for someone else. When I came back she turned the tables on me. *I* became emotionally attached to her. I don't know how the hell it happened. Both of us didn't know what we had until it was gone.

yeah but my friend ex which was still at the time was just messing with his feeling while she was going out with other dudes and my friend was all over her and he had no chance she didnt want him she was trying to get with my cousin at the same time to. it was not until he started to just stop going after her that she tried to get back with him and it was because she wanted the attention and she was not getting it anymore.

i told him to give up on her because every time he started to give her attention she did the same thing and ignore him. you understand what i mean, i girl will act as if they are atracted to that person but not give anything so they will get more attenction and so on. everytime you stop giving the attention they will try to get it back and once they have it again they will screw with your head again. it wanst like they were daiting they werent a cupple anymore.

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Boring thread is boring.
About the only thing I see as being particularly helpful here is this: I get what you guys are saying but you're not giving much instruction. For example, what do you say to them to make their toes crawl? When do you say it? What information do you give them to get their imagination going? How do you behave mysteriously?

The way I get "seductive" is to lower my voice, slow it down, throw in some pauses, keep eye contact. All of this happens from the start but once I've got their interest, I'll move in a bit closer, touch the neck as I lean in to speak to her (I do club game, so it's loud in there!), brush my cheek against hers as I go in... Pretty much my "seductive game" is Gambler's material but I'm usually very cocky/funny in my opening and I like to throw a few negs in before I try getting seductive.

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why would i describe how to do something if there are many different places where a person can do it, everyone is different not just guys but also women. one thing can work for me and it wont work for you. i been a rake for a while and it is different than just a PUA budd it takes more knowledge that can just be explain, you have to adopt the behavior you cant just do it.

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I think you need to talk about atlantis[sic] and crystal skulls or something.

By the time you think, "I should of..." you're already too late. There's something with that last bit in your post though. You said you're very cocky/funny at first and throw in a few negs BEFORE you try getting seductive. See, the problem with that is that it's harder to switch to a seductive vibe later. Your openers shouldn't deal with anything out of the ordinary and should be to the point. Just open with, "You're cute so I wanted to meet you." She now knows exactly what you want. And yes, I know that it's an unoriginal way of opening which she's probably used to, but keep in mind she's also used to guys running around trying to pull off cocky and funny and crazy routines. When you're being cocky/funny, the girl actually senses that you're trying to make up for something...the fear of being rejected. Seduction begins when the girl says "No." It only appears AFC-like by being persistent and trying to win her over, but it's not as long as you don't break rapport, switch to selling yourselfinstead of the pleasure you can offer her. Selling yourself is seeking her affection. Selling the pleasure is seeking her pleasure which later LEADS to her involuntarily giving you the affection you want.

The only reason that the concept of cocky/funny has been popularized as a method in PU is because it gets good reactions from girls. Yes, you made the girl laugh, you gave her a good time. Congratulations...to her, you might now be funnier than her homosexual friend. But the biggest issue is that these good reactions from a girl are mistaken to be those associated with attraction. Seduction is a whole different ballgame. It does not coincide with being cocky/funny. You see, it's about being sexual and serious about it at the same time without changing that mood no matter how the girl reacts. When I'm seductive, girls will try to turn the tables on me, try to be cocky/funny with ME instead. They want to get rid of that sexual tension. However, I don't let them do that. I don't joke back, I just brush it off and keep my intentions genuine. They find that adorable, it greatly reduces their guard against you. And in the end, everyone wins.

Chris2k10, that was a great point you proved there, I have nothing to add to that. that indeed was an awsome response, you are one of the few people that actualy see the same way of thinking I have.

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Thanks, it took me a year to see things that way-I'm glad it works out for you too.