Hey guys I have no question that pua tactics work but how many people actually get results after a number close.

So many puas I see and hear about actually have very low close rates most close about as much as any other guy. I mean really 2 girls going out with you a week could really be achieved by any old dude that approached as many people as what alot of people in this forum do.

Another example is Owen Cook AKA Tyler Durden who has had one actual girlfriend since he started doing pickup like 10 years ago I mean really is this the success we are talking about..................

Also not trying to pick on tyler or anything he knows his shit but there is a HUGE lack of videos of him in field

Many commercial PUAs and their associated companies will inflate their success rate and the success rate of their students in order to get people to pay. This is the nature of the industry. You're absolutely right to look for in-field videos, along with verifiable reviews and everything else you can find before making a decision about which product or service to buy.

In general, your results come down to how much effort and time you are willing to put in to improve all the aspects that are currently holding you back from achieving the kind of success with women you desire, whether than be a long term girlfriend, multiple relationships, a string of one night stands, or whatever. No one DVD or bootcamp is going to solve that for you overnight, although some are better than others.

The important thing to realise is, there is no method, and no PUA, that can guarantee you a rejectionless approach, a flakeless numberclose, and a surefire f-close method for a day 2. Nobody has a 100% success rate at ANYTHING, and it would be lying and deceiving to say anything else.

The difference between the average guy and a good PUA, in my opinion, is how they DEAL with the inevitable rejection. Most guys, whatever they say, take it quite personally, get hurt and offended, and lose their "state." Me personally, and the guys I work with, we LOVE rejection and use it as a way to have fun and get IN state. I'm always looking for really difficult situations, or dong intentionally crazy stuff, knowing there's a 99% chance for a horrific blowout. Why? Because I'm having FUN doing it, and I'm completely detached from the outcome. I just don't care what people think! If they like me and find me fun, then great, let's hang out. If not, then that's ok too - they can leave and I have a funny story to tell!

As for results - it depends on what you're looking for. Me personally, I have 2 regular girls I see once or twice a week, and then about 3-4 girls I'm working on, and then I add another couple in every week, so I'm going on about 2-4 dates a week. That's about as much as I can manage, and it's the kind of setup I've been looking for - having a proper relationship with some girls and seeing them for a long time, and adding in new girls all the time. It's taken me 3-4 years to get to that level, but I'm happy with my progress and don't really need much more out of my dating life.

That said, my "success" rate from open to n-close is probably about 30-40%, and of those another 50% flake, so realistically I'm looking at a rate of open->day2 of about 15-20%. Of those, I end up having sex with probably 50-75%, so really open->f-close my success rate is maybe about 7-12%, and to be honest I'm perfectly happy with that. Every step of the way is another opportunity for me to filter girls who are not that interested, or with whom I don't share any chemistry. I don't consider the other 93-88% "failure," because I'm not actively trying to impress them, I'm just getting to know them and see if we "click" or not.

Depending on what you want, it could be different. The important thing is - don't worry about what others are doing. Judge your current progress against yourself, and just see whether YOU are improving, and whether you're getting closer to YOUR goals.

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Depends on what your measure of success is. I am pretty sure Owen Cook(Durden) has had 1 relationship in 10 years because thats what he wanted. I think most of us get in this game because of a bad relationship or wanting a girlfriend or whatever but as you progress you may find that your motivation changes. A relationship is the last thing i want right now and the hard part becomes dealing with girls who want more from me than I am willing to give, i.e a relationship.

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I personally don't rate my success on F-closes anymore.
I rate it on the fact that now PUA techniques have changed my life for the better.
I can open who i want, Hold a decent conversation with them and have fun when out!
I used to care far to much what people thought of me and tried to fit in like most people but i have realised with the help of PUA how to become who i am and not what society wants me to be thats my biggest success out of all this.
Having the ability to get girls attracted to you is just fun! and yeah it doesn't work 100% of the time but so what! Just always have fun!

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I have 100% success in approach. doesnt mean I dont get blown off becuase. I do. But they always respond at least once

when you open, 1/3 will dismiss, 1/3 will allow you to entertain them, 1/3 will be receptive to an F close or more (relationship)

if you are a PRO PUA- then in theory you shuold be F closing 33% of your opens.

but remember, of this 33%, maybe only 20% of them live up to your standards.
its all about what you want out of this game.

typical results from someone who works hard at this for about a year and understands- truly understands- how to learn properly - will close like 20% of the time when he meets a receptive girl. thats like 7% from open to close. that is actually a high rate - think about it- you approach 100 girls a month- and you fuck 7 of them- thats amazing.

My game is pretty tight- i can make a receptive girl my girlfriend in about 5 weeks. this has happened 3 times already in the past 8 months . im less concerned about one night stands. I dont like doing ONS for various reasons.

it goes Open-> attraction -> # close -> text game -> meet up day 1 (i consider the initial open day 0 ) K close- > more text game -> meet up day 2 more K closes and comfort - > meet up day 3 -> f close.

If you dont fuck by the end of the 3rd date- (give or take 1 date) you have done smoething wrong. Ive even had a new girl flake on me for day 2 and she is my current girlfriend because I destroyed her flake test.

A noob will close like 5-10% of the receptive girls- thats an overall avg of 2-4%.

In general everyone inflates their results and even inflates their perception of what typical results are.

Again tho its all about your personal goals and standards.
If you dont mind fucking phat girls, ugly girls, stupid girls, then your rate will undoubtely be higher.

Personally I got into this to get with the hottest chix, and by taht i mean , those that are hot to ME. my wing is not attracted to my girls, and I am not attracted to his . Its perfect. My rate over the past year is about 6 % because I have high standards and I dont do one night stands. If i look back and think of all the girl who wanted to fuck me, my rate would be close to 15%. but again im not in this to just get laid. I got in this to find and date diamonds.

Most of them get nowhere near the amount of success they say they do, especially not the top names. Some of them even started coaching while they were still virgins...

Depends on the individual and what you consider a success. To some people even consistently opening is a challenge. To others they love the chase/game and are single and looking for new targets. A few PUAs have found LTRs to keep them busy, using their skills to weed out the unfavorable women

Everyone here is after something it is what we take away from the PUA experience that makes us differ when it comes to "success". Some people believe that PUA is just about gaming women and f closing the first night you meet a girl. But for me it is more than that, it is the ability to be social/life of the party. To improve oneself emotionally, building up that confidence. Gaining motivation to go to gym and do some self improvement. etc.

I am absolutely positive that people who are good at these tactics and use them, end up scoring.

Point 1: Inner game will result in far, FAR more approaches than if you don't have it. PUA is probably the best way of developing confidence. I can think of no other.

Point 2: Far more approaches = far more successes. This answers the question right there and the answer is yes, it does work.

Point 3: Various seduction tactics have DEFINITELY worked in the past. "Deep Connection" patterns especially. I have had huge success with those.

Finally, and the SINGLE MOST DEVASTATING:

Ross Jeffries gets laid. If Jeffries gets laid, the shit MUST work and that ends the argument right there.

I guess what im really saying here is.

Is it worth the 2-4 years it takes to get good at this stuff for a couple of regular girlfriends???

Dude your life can change if you meet "the one" tonight. In that sense you could read some corny opening one-liners on this site for 15 minutes and if you open on "the one" tonight and live happily ever after then that was a very well spent 15 minutes.

You don't have to be 'good.; You just have to be adequate enough at the right time in the right place with the right person. Mother Nature takes over from there.

Why not? Would you rather be completely useless with women?

It took me 10+ years, and it was totally worth it to have what I have now.

Endless fun. Endless options.

Get Commited!!!

that statement of "is it worth it" is like one of my friends who said "i've had sex with 13 women i can stop now and ill be fine" to my response "WTF what you are telling me is that you no longer have a penis!". lol It is TOTALLY worth the time you put in rather than be a social outcast/awkward person. PUA is about self improvement first and women second. remember that.

For me PUA is not entirely about girls, it's a way to make the very best out of yourself, and you'll be a far better and happier person once you've reached that level.