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Hi Daniel,

Could you give me some starter excercices or something?
Since you started I taught maybe you had some tips and excercices for me?

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At some point, some Brazilian cavemen came and she ended up kissing one of the guy... His strategy? Put his hand in her pocket, and pull her... Come on?!
Why "Come on?" It's not hard. It's a common thing, show sexual intent can get you to some amazing results. Why you say? The outcome. This guy prolly made out with the girl because he knew he could. He was secure enough to pull it off, even though if it would have failed, it problebly wouldn't have bruised his ego.
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That makes me think on what I want with women right now.
What do you want? You're making a huge leap forward without even actually adressing it.
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Anyways, I'm not interested in her anymore. .
Good, bout that you got that out of your system. Try now to reduce the time speaking to her and notice what will happen.
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I can for example number close a cute girl and then spend the next hours projecting myself pimpin' like a boss...
Try to hold on to that feeling that you get without the hour of projecting. Hold the state and project for a little moment how you got to this state. Up next is to 'summon' that feeling more & more.

I find it fun to talk about something sexual with somebody I know. Just random, about past 'conquers' or something equal to that. Result that I relive that experience.. Try it sometimes.

Good to see your back on your feet Daniel.

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"At some point, some Brazilian cavemen came and she ended up kissing one of the guy... His strategy? Put his hand in her pocket, and pull her... Come on?!"

Absolutely no offense, but you could actually learn from this, Daniel - it's called taking action, the number one thing I think you should work on :)


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At some point, some Brazilian cavemen came and she ended up kissing one of the guy... His strategy? Put his hand in her pocket, and pull her... Come on?!
Why "Come on?" It's not hard. It's a common thing, show sexual intent can get you to some amazing results. Why you say? The outcome. This guy prolly made out with the girl because he knew he could. He was secure enough to pull it off, even though if it would have failed, it problebly wouldn't have bruised his ego.
You're right LD.
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That makes me think on what I want with women right now.
What do you want? You're making a huge leap forward without even actually adressing it.
A post is coming on that subject.
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Try to hold on to that feeling that you get without the hour of projecting. Hold the state and project for a little moment how you got to this state. Up next is to 'summon' that feeling more & more.

I find it fun to talk about something sexual with somebody I know. Just random, about past 'conquers' or something equal to that. Result that I relive that experience.. Try it sometimes.

Good to see your back on your feet Daniel.
Thanks for the advice LD.

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"At some point, some Brazilian cavemen came and she ended up kissing one of the guy... His strategy? Put his hand in her pocket, and pull her... Come on?!"

Absolutely no offense, but you could actually learn from this, Daniel - it's called taking action, the number one thing I think you should work on :)
lol... you're right James... this damn kiss close is definitely a sticking point for me...

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I dont believe that any one technique is the right one but being able to mix them and balance when appropriate will make you a winner. To get over your sticking point I think you have to go caveman. At a party game a HB a bit then just grab and kiss her. Dont wait too long, just do it! I bet like every other chick you have literaly gave away (let other dudes kiss, make out and maybe have sex with them) she will just kiss you back. Go prehistoric man and get kissing already!

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DAY 58: number closing at the Architecture party.
Opening strangers in a party.

Context.
I was at a party Thursday and I was not showing good game at all... At some point, I ended up alone, walking through the party... instead of opening random people. That was really AFC but it's opening strangers in night game is something I'm not used to...

Adressed issues.
- I'm unable to open strangers in a party environment... (and I'm supposed to kiss close them?)
- I don't get enough out of my comfort zone.
- I'm unable to kiss close.

Goals.
- Open strangers.
- Number close.
- Kiss close.
- Enjoy myself.

Strategy.
Opening strangers can't be that hard... Using some situational openers might help. Same technique as usual for the number close... seeding an event will help. For the kiss close, I'll go with the Illogic's "almost kiss" routine: grinding then go for the kiss.
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Waiting for my friends.
I went at the party by myself and truth is... it sucked. There was almost nobody at the beginning and I was by myself. I bought a can of Coke and opened a set. A guy and a girl. "Do you at what time the party truly begins? I ended up speaking with both of them for 25 minutes. It was cool. I was happy about it. I opened total strangers and spoke with them while waiting. The girl was a bit strange. She was 18 (and have some boobs) and was kinda cute but it was really hard to get her attention... Seems like she couldn't focus. Anyways, they went to another party, I told them I would wait for my friend and that I might see them in the other party. She gave me her number... (did not even ask for it... I was not even gaming her but was showing some strong body language).

Going to the Architecture party.
German Girls and other guys joined me and we took the direction of the other party. On our way we stumbled upon another small party on the campus. We stopped there and I bought some Coke again. On the line to buy drinks, I opened two girls: "do you know if they sell Coke here?"... We spoke a bit and I told them I was a bit ashamed of asking them for a coke... "maybe you should ask it for me!" I got her to ask for a Coke. :) They were not my type so I ejected and went to the Architecture party.

Number closing a cute Japanese.
We've been at the party for 15 minutes. We noticed that the organization staff had rabbit ears on their head. I got my opener. I opened a group of girl next to us and asked them why they had this ears. It was because of Easter. Only one girl was interesting... I introduced my friends to the group. We were all standing in circle and I little by little isolated the cute Japanese Architect by just making two steps on my right... Her friends were speaking with my friends. They were now behing my back. I was now speaking to her about Paris and how it was magical... bla bla. I maintained a good eye-contact, friendly vibe... She had a cute necklace with her name written on it... I noticed there was a ring on it... I touched it with my fingers and asked her what it was. Told me it was because she was in a relationship with someone. I thought that was an engagement ring but she made it very clear it was not... People here put rings even if they're not engage but just seing each other for a long time. Anyways, she really made it clear it was over, so I took it as a IOI. I wanted to go for the number close but was a bit hesitating on how to do it. I tried to seed an event but she was not that receptive. Since she told me she was going to France, I told her we should stay in touch. Number close, but a weak one... Why not just saying: "I like your energy, let's take a drink this weekend, how can I contact you?". I number closed her in front of German girl. She told me later that she noticed I was different when I spoke to the Japanese Architect.

Architecture party.
I opened more groups... At some point I heard some guys saying "bla bla French bla bla"... I opened them... "you were speaking about French"... they did not really react about it, maybe I did not hear well, anyways, I exchange some words with them and move on. Later, I was looking for my friends and noticed that a girl was doing the same thing... "looking for some friends hum?"... she was wasted but later at the party, she introduced me to her friends and I had a nice interaction with her boyfriend. It was nice to see that a small opener got me to know two guys later at the same party. I was also really social with my friends... I dances, make them dance... I was the life of the party for my friends... and I did not even drink. I even ended out watching other people making out and taking picture with them in the background (yes, it's fun... I'll be the one who makes out soon).

Results: I've got one number close (one doesn't count), no kiss-close, but I've opened a lot of strangers that night. I also had a lot of fun, and I've been the life of the party for my friends.
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On the strategy.
Opening strangers was not that hard in the end, I came up with good situational openers but I'll try "hey, I'm AFC Daniel" next time. I successfully number closed but I'll be more clear about my intentions too: "hey, you know what, I like your energy, let's get a drink... how can I contact you". By doing that, my 100% ratio in number close would be more realistic. I was unable to kiss close since it's still really hard for me to go to a stranger and dance with her... yet, it would be the most congruent situation to me to kiss someone currently.

On the Game.
- Micro interaction can get you to be introduced to a bunch of people in the end.
- Opening makes you feel damn good and confident.
- I can open with almost anything: it does not really matter.
- I can open and dance without being drunk.

Questions to move on.
- Should I number close in a more direct way? I've been saying stuff like "you know a cool bar? take me there", maybe I could get more of "hey, I like your energy, let's see each other again, how can I contact you?"

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I dont believe that any one technique is the right one but being able to mix them and balance when appropriate will make you a winner. To get over your sticking point I think you have to go caveman. At a party game a HB a bit then just grab and kiss her. Dont wait too long, just do it! I bet like every other chick you have literaly gave away (let other dudes kiss, make out and maybe have sex with them) she will just kiss you back. Go prehistoric man and get kissing already!
Yeah, I gotta force myself at some point to get over a sticking point... but truth is, the next sticking point is not really kiss close... it's opening sets and dancing with a target in night game. After, I'll go for the kiss close... I tried to kiss close German girl because I was able to dance with her and escalate... but I can't do that with some random people for now. The only good opportunity I had to kiss close in day game was during the dates with Princess but I fucked up.

But sure, going caveman even if it's not who I am, could at least help me getting rid of some false beliefs I have about kisses.

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Quick Update.

Another quick update about a party I've been on Saturday.

One of the best party of my life.
I was at an amazing barbecue party Saturday afternoon, I've never had so much fun. I was enjoying myself as never. Little Miss Sunshine was there, I spoke a bit with her and she taught me how to dance some Brazilian carnival stuff. At some point, the percussion band came and started to play some amazing music... I went crazy and danced like never. Beer was raining. I've met a lot of cute girls. One of them is a crazy HB8,5 with a serious boyfriend. She was extroverted and hot as hell... She is 17 only (I could not believe it, she looked like 23)... but has most boobs than most of the girls that I know... She had a few friends she introduced me too... HB8 minimum... I went crazy. All of them had boyfriends though... Anyways, I managed to seed an event with them... and some of them are in my classes so I'll see them again. At the end, I was wet because of all the beer this chick have been putting on my head. Oh, I almost forgot, I did not drink alcohol at all, I wanna stay focused from now on.

Cellphone story.
I was so dancing like crazy that I actually lost my cellphone among the dancing crowd. I was a bit pissed off when I realized it but I would have been frustrated for the whole party and even week before. I was like: "this is stupid... let's try to find it at least". I started to be positive about finding it... People were dancing and I had small chances of finding it but I was optimistic. I knew where and when I've lost it. I spent 10 minutes looking at the ground when I found a part of it! Five minutes and a few meters later, I've found it... It was still working! I felt like the luckiest guy on earth. My persistence paid off.

Planning a trip to Rio de Janeiro.
In a little more than a week, I'm going to Rio de Janeiro for the fist time. I will have to take a little break in journaling.

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DAY 59: reflections on my journey.
Pyramidal thinking.

It's a rainy day today in São Paulo... I thought I could take this opportunity to think about my journey and what I want when it comes to women.

My main dream.
Back to DAY 32 35-vt81510.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=159. My main goal is still the same. I want to be a real man: confident, dominant, secure, funny, social, attractive, trustworthy, successful, ... I've been heading to this direction thanks to several solutions I've came up with.

Applying the solutions.
Let's take a look on how I've been applying the solutions since DAY 50 27-vt81510.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=398. Globally, let's try harder:
> APPROACHING: I've done some approaches in Day Game and even in Night Game recently... but let's be honest... I've learned nothing from it.
=> let's try harder!
> JOURNALING: I've been journaling quite often (almost every day), it really helps me to calm my anxiety and take a step back on everything. Not to mention the input of the community.
=> keeping up.
> WORKING OUT: I've been working out one hour every week. It feels good. I should do it more and play some sports in addition.
=> go twice a week + play some sports occasionally.
> MEDITATING: I've been meditating once every three days. That is not enough, clearly. It's a shame since it's sooo effective when it comes to calm my anxiety.
=> try harder: 30 days challenge, once every day!
> STOPPING MASTURBATION: I've been serious about it. Even though I don't really apply the 10 days rule, I've never done it twice in the same week.
=> keeping up.
> TAKING NOTES: I've taken notes on the Power of Now and Stormy's thread frame-control-defining-reality-and-bein ... 34530.html.
=> keeping up + open a new notepad on teasing routines.
> GIVING NEWS: I've been skyping with my parents and my friend in Singapour. It feels great.
=> keeping up.
> EXTENDING SOCIAL CIRCLE: I've been going out a lot lately and I think I can consider most of the people I hang out with as friends. I organized several stuff and wanna play some sports with them. I'm also going to some friends to Rio in about a week.
=> keeping up.
> READING MATERIAL: I've read 60yoc, watched Vin DiCarlo's No Flake and a lot of threads from the community. Truth is, it brings a lot of confusion... So I'll focus on one thing at a time: Stormy's thread for now.
=> one material at the time.

But? What about women?
My main goal is quite clear... but I'm lost when it comes to what I want to get from the Game... what I want when it comes to women. Let's be honest here, I'm really happy about the improvement in my life... but leaving Brazil without having dated a Brazilian is something I would regret all my life. In 3 months... I'm back to France and I've been wasting a lot of opportunities because I did not know what I want.

My short-term dream.
I want to date one or several women (preferably Brazilian) on a regular basis and get a full close. Yes, I wanna take some Brazilian pants out.
A LTR is not a possible option, and even if I won't refuse a crazy ONS with a HB10, having ONS is not my goal.

Competence pyramids.
The road to become a man is pretty clear right now. Yet, I'm really confused about the outer Game stuff. I need to schedule some milestone and divide the main task in several smaller ones. So let me introduce my competence pyramids (directly inspired from video games I confess). These pyramids are here to help me to get my short-term dreams.

Day Game:
Approaching with an more exciting indirect opener.
+ Maintaining body language and eye-contact.
+ + Introducing myself with a Paulista kiss (KINO)
+ + + Get a playful conversation flowing. (routines?)
+ + + + Number-closing with a direct routines ("you're fun, let's take a drink...")

Approaching with an direct opener. ("you look adorable, I thought I should introduce myself")
+ Maintaining body language and eye-contact.
+ + Introducing myself with a handshake.
+ + + Get a playful conversation flowing (routines?).
+ + + + Number-closing with a direct routines ("you're fun, let's take a drink...").

Night Game:
Opening strangers easily in a party environment.
+ Dancing with unknown girls in a party environment.
+ + Grinding with a target while dancing.
+ + + Escalating physically with a target while dancing.
+ + + + Kiss closing a target.
+ + + + + Making out with a target.

Basically, I'll focus on learning to do every single step of these pyramid. Once I'll be good at it, I'll move on to a next competence pyramid (getting dates?). It feels good to know where I'm going now. What do you think of these?

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Quick Update.

I've just found a video of the party I was on Saturday... Yeah, I'm on the video. Brazil is an amazing country... Enjoy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbAF-S2EQJI[/youtube]

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Just some thoughts:

1. How many phone numbers do you have?
2. How many have you called for a date request?

I think you might be allowing other people's agendas to leech into your plans. Look, nobody owns EVERY aspect of game. This is an impossibility. You've made huge strides in day approaches and gaining numbers but you haven't followed through. Instead, it's as if you've left that part of the game just dangling and you're moving on to what you know makes you uncomfortable.

This whole "Get out of your comfort zone" only makes sense if you MUST get out of your comfort zone in order to accomplish your goals. Your goal from day one was NOT to become a PUA who is well versed in all aspects of game. Your goal was to be a "MAN" and attract women and have fun and . . . .??

You have numbers. CALL THEM. Set up some really fun dates that involve the date moving on to cocktails and towards going to her place or her coming to yours. Get more numbers, set up more dates. What you're looking for is a "WAY IN" to convincing yourself of what the girls around you already know . . . and what they've been trying to tell you in so many ways other than taking a neon sign out of her bag that reads, "You are hot. Please fuck me. I shaved. I have condoms."

Let's get back to simple.

1. Take out EVERY SINGLE NUMBER/NAME and write them down on your pad.
2. Write down all the fun events that you'd like to do. Create some that actually involves one person going over the person's house.
3. Take out a calendar start making those sales calls. Plug them all in. Definitely/maybe/no. Take the obvious flakes out.
4. Go out and get more numbers.

*Forget the solo night game for now. It has nothing to do whether I think you can do this or not but rather with. . . . "Hey Daniel? What are you doing out by yourself when you have ALL THOSE NUMBERS that hasn't been called? Why aren't you reaching out to them? Why aren't you taking them to these parties? (This is like failing to call back a current customer who's interested in making his annual order and instead making cold calls in search of new sales...)


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Sambaaaaaaaaa! Did you learn how to dance Samba dude ?

Since, you really seem to like this beautiful country, I though I'd show you this video of a party that happens every summer where I used to live in. Check out the amount of girls compared to the amount of guys...That place is freaking awesome. Oh I miss those girls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpnkBI45vnA


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1. How many phone numbers do you have?
2. How many have you called for a date request?
1) Little Miss Sushine: text, call, IM... I fucked up once and tried to see her several time after (ice-cream, cinema...) but I could only see her randomly in parties... Strange thing is, now that she's seen how fun and popular I was, she's the one coming back to me.
=> She told me "we have to do something together" (again)... Let's see but for now she's a FLAKE.

2) Smiling Artist: called her to get a date at the museum... ended up with her boyfriend... I teased her more on Facebook chat but it was weird... she's way less coming to me now... and I'm sure she is with the guy.
=> DEAD END.

3) Princess: Got her to come to a cinema and ice cream with me... I fucked up. I did not escalate. I'm trying to get her to the cinema again to see.
=> Okay, I confess I'm a bit afraid of fucking things up since she's in my social circle... I've been teasing, she's been really receptive... but let's face it, that's stupid but I'm afraid of falling in a trap and getting rejected (silly, huh?). I tried to get her to the cinema again, she wouldn't come. A solution might be escalating in night game... Anyways, I'm currently trying to get another date. WORK IN PROGRESS.

4) Miss Sunset: The approach was really nice but I did not get the number, only the Facebook... I sent her a message, she answered 1 month later... (LOL) but she told she definitely wanna go to take some pictures of the sunset with me (yay)... I wrote a message, asked for her number, told her I would call her. No answer. Wrote again to told her that I wanna go ther on Monday (yesterday)... No answer. But here's the message I got today:
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ai...I'm late! Yes, call me! xxxx-xxxx

what about next Monday? kiss!
=> I'll buy some credit for my phone and call her (today in the evening? tomorrow?) to plan the date on Monday. WORK IN PROGRESS.

5) HB Mac Beal: She was nice but truth is I can't even remember her clearly. Anyways, she wanted to add me on Facebook, told her I'll send her a link to my profile so we can plan some parties together more easily but she's never replied to the text nor added me on Facebook.
=> Fuck it, let's call her... WORK IN PROGRESS.

6) Japanese Architect: Texted her, no answer... I'm going on the architecture party Friday again (it's every friday)... hope I'll see her.
=> I'll call her Saturday during the day if I don't see her on Friday so she can take me to a local market near she lives. WORK IN PROGRESS.

7) Greek Girl: was supposed to text me, she did not... but she's finally added me to Facebook. I don't know her that much unfortunately.
=> Call/text her to go to the cinema with some friends. WORK IN PROGRESS.
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I think you might be allowing other people's agendas to leech into your plans. Look, nobody owns EVERY aspect of game. This is an impossibility. You've made huge strides in day approaches and gaining numbers but you haven't followed through. Instead, it's as if you've left that part of the game just dangling and you're moving on to what you know makes you uncomfortable.
My goal is still the same Kasabi, but I would like to understand how come most of my targets gave me their number so easily and do not reply to texts, don't add me on Facebook, or flake on me... how come I did not get a "no" for now? But truth is, I've not approached enough women to actually be sure it's a tendency. Yet, I would like to be slightly better at it just because I actually like it. No, my goal is not to be a PUA for now.
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This whole "Get out of your comfort zone" only makes sense if you MUST get out of your comfort zone in order to accomplish your goals. Your goal from day one was NOT to become a PUA who is well versed in all aspects of game. Your goal was to be a "MAN" and attract women and have fun and . . . .??
Yes, my goal is still the same Kasabi. I just thought it could be it would be good to actually know what I want when it comes to women. Getting better at day game and night game is just a way to get what I want. But again, my main goal is still becoming a man. Yet, I understand you, would being able to dance with a target and kiss her help me to get dates? The answer is not that obvious.
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You have numbers. CALL THEM. Set up some really fun dates that involve the date moving on to cocktails and towards going to her place or her coming to yours. Get more numbers, set up more dates. What you're looking for is a "WAY IN" to convincing yourself of what the girls around you already know . . . and what they've been trying to tell you in so many ways other than taking a neon sign out of her bag that reads, "You are hot. Please fuck me. I shaved. I have condoms."

Let's get back to simple.

1. Take out EVERY SINGLE NUMBER/NAME and write them down on your pad.
2. Write down all the fun events that you'd like to do. Create some that actually involves one person going over the person's house.
3. Take out a calendar start making those sales calls. Plug them all in. Definitely/maybe/no. Take the obvious flakes out.
4. Go out and get more numbers.
Doing it.
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*Forget the solo night game for now. It has nothing to do whether I think you can do this or not but rather with. . . . "Hey Daniel? What are you doing out by yourself when you have ALL THOSE NUMBERS that hasn't been called? Why aren't you reaching out to them? Why aren't you taking them to these parties? (This is like failing to call back a current customer who's interested in making his annual order and instead making cold calls in search of new sales...)
You're perfectly right. I've been by myself lately but most of the time I'm going to parties with friend just to have fun.

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Quick Update.

Here's a quick update on the follow up actions.

Miss Sunset.
I've just called her and schedule the sun set thing next Monday. I'll join her at the park with my camera. I was relaxed on the phone but still has some trouble to get understood because of my accent. She promised me she would connect more often to Facebook, told her I would text her now that I have her phone. She sounded regular, not shy at all.

Princess.
She's going to the Amazon for two weeks. I've told her that we'll see Rio (the animation movie) together but have to wait for her to come back. I've seen her this morning, we hugged.

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