A pre-query before I respond to this, as I might be mis-interpreting the written text (oh when does THAT ever happen lol)

Are you saying that we must have/believe in a strong moral/ethical code/view. And that by doing so makes you a man? (drive being an attractive trait in itself).

If this is the case then: That opinion doesnt have to be mutually exclusive from what Ive been saying, if you strongly believe in it, ie nillhism and all it's branch's, meta ethics etc.

If not then : nice weather we are having today!

LOL. I'd agree with ya on some level for sure man. Better to stand for something than to fall for anything. Just make sure you have legit reasons for standing for that something and not just bla...

For instance, Sparta's Moral Code was far far different than mans moral codes today. And most religions have a fucked up moral code in my opinion.. A code that was created by other men who wanted to create fear in others or give into superstition because they didn't have answers. So if you have a moral code I think it is healthy to ask why you have it occasionally.

Some people have a moral code because they fear hell. Is it moral to do things out of fear and fear alone..? I'm not so sure it is. A philosophy class will put the average moralist in a state of questioning refinement at least for a brief moment.

We are a programed nation, we are a marketed world. Many of peoples values are nothing more than cultural.

Ok fair enough. If you are touch with what you want are are willing to do what it takes to acheive it, who I am or anyone else to judge or make assumptions about you. If you want to be "that guy" go for it.

It is exciting and empowering to pursue what you really want. If you want to pursue a variety of women without pretense or any kind of commitment that is fair. Just be upfront about it and dont manipulate or decieve or lie to anyone to do it.

The truth is, you can be upfront about your desires and be upfront about wanting no commitments or strings and there will be women who will gladly accommidate you. The catch is most of them will be married or in committed relationships.

Truly free and single gals are often looking for relationships. The gals that are in relationships are the ones that are just looking for side action.

In order to be "that guy" you are going to have to reconciliate your moral ambiquity. Religion itself doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with it. Even atheist torment over whether to get involve with married people or not.

Even if you are an devout atheist you will still have a moral code and values that will govern how you conduct yourself. Screwing with married people involves a lot of real world risks and complications that don't have a thing to do with burning in hell or being judged by a higher power.

There are a lot of problems with marrieds that are very real world and here and now such as getting your ass kicked, having the whole community pissed off at you, having legitimate females reject you since you are a homewrecker and dealing with your own sense of guilt and of having "settled" for a lesser playmate.

You are in a period of upheaval at this time for whatever reason it is. How you feel today and what you think you want for yourself today are not necessarily how you will feel or think a few months or year or so from now.

@ biggus

@ carson hill

EXACTLY. It doesn't matter what you believe, just believe in something. If your moral code is PRO-debauchery, fucking do it! LOL

But Carson, you are asking what to do. You are waffling. You are wishy-washy. You are asking for guidance. Others here are telling you our strong beliefs. Have you noticed some people say "abso-fucking-lutely not" and others say "fuck yes, go for it!"

You are the one with no beliefs or ethics regarding it.

You've got to determine what you believe and be cognizant and accepting of its consequences, both intended and unforeseen.

You may get sued, framed, reported for rape, stalked, bludgeoned, or the afforementioned "bisexual rape squad". LOL

I have a strong moral opposition to defiling marriage. That's me.

Others have no problem with it. That's them.

Where are you on this subject? I'm not sure. It seems you are asking for permission or guidance to HAVE an opinion/belief on the issue.

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what dr. house brings to medicine, i bring to everyday life (an extreme dose of cynicism), don't listen to the curmudgeon!

Yes. I realize it is up to me.

Some of the original posters actually did clarify most of it up for me but the debate/disconsion continued so I continued.... interacting n gained further clarification along the way... then I contributed too sometimes disagreeing with certain things as I saw fit to add value to this thread as it progressed.

Several posts I agreed with part and disagreed with part but still learned.

Personally:
My first priority is to be leery of any potential dangers or dramas you can risk when dealing with a marriage commitment scenario. I think that is first and foremost. This is big for me and the top priority. Several posters said this and I agree based on hearing them talk about it etc. Several had already had close calls with this.


Beyond that the debate continues and I am still weighing out everything. Morality and Moral code is one of the single most important and ongoing topics of the world. But here I was able to take one specific scenario involving morality and discuss it among others of a similar pua objective (to some degree). This was very important and still is.

I'm not asking for anyone's permission. I want to see what people think. When they share what they think I may test them to see if they have good experiences or reasons for thinking this way.. This is ok to do and should be encouraged in discussion as long as not out of hand. that way I can test the value of their perspectives.

With all that said dude I'm still in a crazy place. So i just need to hear the discussion. It alone is support for me. -sometimes interacting with it, sometimes disagreeing with it.. it helps me.

So thank you..

No problem. I don't want you to feel like you have to defend yourself, but you asked for clarification about the necessity for men being decisive creatures. So I explained it and "displayed" it for you. Tis better to stand for anything than for nothing. Good luck in whatever you choose!

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what dr. house brings to medicine, i bring to everyday life (an extreme dose of cynicism), don't listen to the curmudgeon!

Agreed and thank you. I am learning that about woman and relationships so it was good to here that. and yes I am deciding my morals in the process, mostly emphasizing safety to myself, drama and life trial avoidance, along with honesty to others.