There are some guys who will come down purely on the side of indirect - get in there under the radar, make her warm to you, and then display your intent when she's the most receptive to you. That's fine if it works for you, I just personally find it disingenuous. Mystery still teaches this, as do many of the big names out there.

Then there are the hardcore direct guys, like Badboy, Alan Roger Currie, who say you have to display your intent right away, as balls-out confident as possible. I think this is certainly honest and confident, but sometimes a situation will call for something more subtle, and you run the risk of looking uncalibrated, or going for shock value.

Some people try to dismiss the indirect/direct debate by simply saying "you have to calibrate" or "it depends on the situation."

The problem is, that can often be quite vague and not really much of a helpful guide.

Marcus from yourcharismacoach.com has talked about his idea of smoothness, where you expend the MINIMUM amount of effort to get your desired reaction. I really like that idea.

Following on from that, I would imagine a scale from 1-10, with 1 being the most indirect, and 10 being the most direct form of approach.

I think that the correct calibration for any situation, is the MINIMUM number on that scale that signals your sexual interest in her.

In a closed social situation, in front of her friends, choosing 9 or 10 is uncalibrated because she will be under pressure to not feel like a slut and will HAVE to say no to you. You're setting yourself up for an exercise in objection handling, where you could have chosen 5 or 6, made your intentions clear enough, and not triggered her into being reactive.

Choosing 1 in a highly sexual, high energy club environment, however, will get you ignored or assumed to be a nice, friendly guy, but not a sexual threat.

Finding that balance where you make it clear what you're after, without being too 'nice,' nor being too overt when it might trigger her ASD, is about calibrating that lowest number to your situation.

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pretty solid post. can u recommend any stuff by bad boy or that other fellow? ive never checked them out and am rather interested.

Into a further analysis, you will notice that naturals tend to do that, they have this sense of when to be sexually and when to be indirect, but one thing don't change and is that they always have this strange spark in the eyes, that even when they show the minimum sexual interest they have something that pulls the attention of people to them.

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This seems to spark over here.

I'll try some stuff out this weekend when me and my natural budy are going out. See if I can win using this information.

It may not be the most helpful guide but never the less its the truth as you do need to calibrate and be aware of the situation around you. Both of which meaning you have to be socially aware of whats going on. This is coming from a guy that very much favors direct game. There is no way to really teach someone how to calibrate or learn what situations when to be direct or indirect as that comes from experience and from trial and error.

agreed though i am usually more in the indirect game camp, i never solely rely on indirect game. Knowing the difference of when to switch between both modes it something that you have to learn along the way.

Could you explain what this strange spark in there eyes is?

I could write an entire book about this look, I'm sure you have seen it. Have you ever say hi to someone and you feel this good vibe and you can see this like "Spark in their eyes" that's what I'm talking about. It's not only about smiling with your eyes is like feeling great and good about the moment and focusing with this warm eye contact into the other person.

Not exactly what I would refer to but this might help a little....

Check the look at (11 sec.)

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If I were to summarise this, I would say:

Go indirect to start with but use as little directness as possible to be safe and conventional, but make sure you definitely display your interest.

Example: you're talking to a girl at a house party and you think she is the sort who is game for a shag. Obviously a direct line like "want to fuck?" is not going to work so you go indirect but flirt a lot and display your interest, without going over the top.

Do you agree? If you do, then my conclusion is that these posts are too long winded in getting their point across for such a simple message as I thought your other current thread was very complex for a concise message. If not, then I am wrong and long winded posts are essential!

No you haven't quite gotten the main points, which are:

1. Its not direct VS indirect, either-or. It's actually a sliding scale with very indirect at one end, and very direct on the other.

2. Calibration is about expending the minimum amount of work to get your desired result.

3. To calibrate correctly, choose the lowest value on the indirect-direct scale to clearly make your sexual and romantic intent clear. Choosing too high is overkill and looks like you lack social intelligence (for example telling a girl she looks fucking sexy and you want to slide her panties off right there and fuck her on the table, in front of her mother, some extended family, and some of your mutual friends from school.) Choose too low, and she may not understand why it is you're talking to her, and assume you're just friendly and be polite to you, without ever reciprocating your actual interest or desire. (For example, engaging her in polite conversation about neutral subjects for 30 minutes when you're in a noisy, crowded club at 1am and she's dressed in a short skirt and heels).

-In your example, if I can discern easily that a girl is DTF the moment I see her at a party, then I would walk right up to her and say "listen, don't take this the wrong way, but you look absolutely goddam sexy and I had to come over and find out who you are."

"Wanna fuck" is NOT 'direct game,' it's just being an idiot. Being direct is about expressing your sexual interest in her clearly and unapologetically from the beginning, not about propositioning girls for sex.

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A good post Fella.

But i just have to say one thing.

I don't really think it matters what the fuck you do.

Always be closing!!!!!!!!!!!

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I like this idea. I think I've been in situations where I've started from pretty much all the points on your scale, but of course closing game always involves cranking that volume knob up to 11.

I think we should definitely keep in mind that, no matter where you start on the 1-10 directness scale, you should always be escalating/microescalating up to 11. There's nothing more direct than having your penis in her vagina. As johnchangmai said right above me, always be closing.

Very obvious concept to most of us, but it's worth applying here.

That is pretty much what I said. Expending least amount if unput to get what you want, making it neither indirect or direct just whatever you think is needed by being as indirect as possible (lowest value on the scale).

However much we argue, it still doesn't escape the fact that people wouldn't have this problem if they actually used some strategy and played the girl not either direct or indirect. I agree with you fully on calibration of intent or whatever it is called rather than choosing one or the other.

It does sound pretty obvious, however today I realised just how stupid some guys actually are. One of my friends has just read the game and is trying to learn from it. He is pretty stuck up on one girl but thinks Mystery would keep pursuing her even though she's not interested and is clearly using him; he thinks it wouldn't be better to find another girl. So your thread was worth the longwinded explanation!