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^^Absolutely right Daniel.

It's good that you can at least be honest with yourself.

Kasabi generally gives spot on advice. Thing is... Daniel you're a very smart and polite guy. We can all see this by the way you write.

Perhaps, you're a little TOO clever/logical, which is why you're finding it sooo difficult to just go with the grab and kiss. But that is literally ALL that is stopping your from making the next move. You simply think about it too much.

Dumb yourself down a little... and just go with the grab and kiss.

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Nice job Daniel. You've hit another milestone. Awesome, awesome, awesome. . . . Now that you're actually 'going for it', we can finally chat about some technique instead of sitting here like a bunch of teen-aged cheerleaders, urging you to "Go For It!"
Yes I'm happy about it, especially since I had to face really stranger inner game issues that night... I'm more than ever convinced that the key to success in general is linked to the ability of observing the negative voices in your head and taking some distance from them.
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So let's get right to it:
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Next: discovering why she gave me the finger... (I really had no clue).
. . . Because you're a wussy tease. (In her mind)

It doesn't matter if she puts her hand on your face or makes a gag face, if she's CONTINUING to dance with you, it means you are in. Girls are hypersensitive about this crap. They don't typically dance in public with people that disgust them or people they would fee 'ashamed' to bee seen with. Obviously . . . you already know that she is into you.

Now meditate a bit on how this German girl sees the World. What would it be like for her to go to school in a foreign country and go to parties? All the girls have everything figured out; they know the 'sluts', the 'queens', the 'rich girls', the 'poor girls'. the 'hot girls', etc . . . girls are nearly sadistically aware of their social environment. How do you think she perceives others and how do you think she perceives herself?

So you go for an initial K close. She playfully denies your advances. So this would be a good time to think about which needs are not being met for her to comply; this would be a good time to address these issues. Your story is enough to tell me that:

1. She's not making out with anybody in a bar/club full of people unless she's totally wasted or if she feels that those around her 'think' that she's with a 'boyfriend'.
2. She's not going to be the girl that goes around, makes out with 3 different guys at a bar, and then gets labeled an International 'slut'.
3. She's not going to simply kiss a guy who she thinks will then go off and kiss a few other girls just to win a 'bet'.
4. But she wants, wants, wants to kiss you.
Correct, correct, correct and yes, I do think she likes me but I really insisted in my opinion... I went for this damn kiss at least six times... and I was pretty high in the KINO escalation: my hand was in her hair, we were close enough for her to rub my damn cock while dancing, ... But truth is, I'm not looking for a relation with her.
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As a man, your job is to carve a easy, smooth, guiltless path to her mind blasting orgasm. If she already gave you a "NO", then it's time to re-think your strategy instead of doing the same thing over and over again.
Indeed, at some point I put my finger in my cheek and she gave me a kiss... then I put the finger closer to my lips but she was like "Oh yeah, what's gonna be the next kiss?"... I could only come up with this.
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So a girl like this egs you and you just smile it off and go, "You are just so fucking hot . . ." then go right off into some 'fantasy dates'. All the cool places you've been to around the World. . . perhaps all the places she's been around the World . . .and then "Oh, we're definitely doing that together/next year/before getting out to the real World". What you want to plant in her brain is that you're ALREADY thinking about your time together in the future instead of fucking and chucking her and going off to the next 'international slut'. Chat about possible fun dates: "Oh, that ____ bar! It's so much fun! We're definitely going next week!" (High five)
Okay, projection. That looks like a good plan.
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Instead of all ^this, you pretty much ejected when she gave you a simple test and began walking around scoping out other chicks. Believe me . .. she was watching you the whole time. Instead of sticking to your guns, you essentially proved to her that you're a "Player" . . . and a horribly untalented player. . .
I guess I got tired of it at some point. I think she's lost. Actually, she's a good friend of Princess, and I know they've been communicating a lot lately, maybe about me... So basically, she might know that I've been having some "dates" with Princess while at the mean time I was trying to kiss her at the parties... Remember this thing somebody told her about me? Well it might come from Princess... That's why this is tricky. I don't wanna date German girl... I just wanted to practice... I was turned on by her tattoo though.
In a nutshell, in the best case they both think I'm "mysterious", in the worse that I'm a shitty player... lol.
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The middle finger? It's a combination of "You broke my heart" + "Wow, and you're going home alone" . . which means . . . "You broke my heart and you're a fucking chump."

Call her for a date. Get more numbers. Get more dates. Go to more parties. Everything is looking good.
I wrote her to know what it was about. The answer is simpler... I pissed her off but I do think the fact she likes me made her overreact. But again, I don't wanna date her. I'm already spending a lot of time with her... going to the cinema with friends, seeing her at the uni...

But damn, yes I want more numbers, more dates, more parties... I want to find the right calibration in all this...

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^^Absolutely right Daniel.

It's good that you can at least be honest with yourself.

Kasabi generally gives spot on advice. Thing is... Daniel you're a very smart and polite guy. We can all see this by the way you write.

Perhaps, you're a little TOO clever/logical, which is why you're finding it sooo difficult to just go with the grab and kiss. But that is literally ALL that is stopping your from making the next move. You simply think about it too much.

Dumb yourself down a little... and just go with the grab and kiss.
So be it. Time to get dirty.

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Quick Update.

Okay quick update on why German Girl gave me the finger.

Explanations.
I wrote her on Facebook later that day.
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You know what German Girl? It would be great if you explain me why you insulted me and gave me the finger this morning. I asked you several time if you wanted me to wait with you, you told me it was okay if I leave... and when I left and said goodbye to you, you call me "ass"?

wtf? If you did not feel safe about waiting by yourself, you just should have told me... but insulting me and running away from me? I really did not understand what the fuck happened there and I really did not appreciate it.
Okay, I was a bit pissed off by it... so I wrote this. I really did not realize what was the problem... and I wanted to know. She answered:
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you did not ask me several times if I it's ok for me to wait alone! but anyway maybe I'm oldfashioned but I'm not used to it that a guy just leave me alone on the street at night. I was overreacting by showing you the finger but yes you were an ass. in that moment I could not believe you're really doing that. no one of my male friends would have ever done that to me. so it just showed me again how selfish you are just doing what you want and not giving a damn shit about other people! I was not expecting that and I'm really disappointed.
Ouch... that hurts. I realized I've been a jerk indeed... so since she was a friend, I thought that apologizing was the best thing to do...
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Hey German Girl,

I'm sorry. I did not realize what I was doing. Guess I was not thinking clearly about the situation. I'm sincerely sorry.

AFC Daniel.
She also apologized later for giving me the finger...

Reflection.
I spoke a bit about that in the PUA chat and everybody was like "why did you do that?"... I could not answer... Guess I just saw her as a practice field for the Game... I was tired, I wanted to go... so I went and left her waiting at the exit of the party. I realize now that I've been a jerk, but what worries me is that at the moment, I was okay with what I was doing...

Anyways, everything is cool between us now... she was touched by my apologies... but I'm uncomfortable about it. Plus, she might have spoken about it to her friends... Princess... Behind Blue Eyes... I fucked up here. But at least I'm giving her a nice roller coaster ride.

Let's move on.

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you should've had make up sex

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Daniel, I think the problem at the big party might have been the comfort level. Like how much did you talk to her and complyance test her before you went in for the kiss close? orr
- mabye u could've isolated and sat down and done a kiss close routine there.

idk just suggestions take or leave 'em. ur an inspiration man

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Loveing your story here, should make it into a book once your done, just a thought lol :P.

So which girl are you going after? If you keep Ping-Ponging back and forth, shit might hit the Fan. Not saying it will but iv seen it happen.

Be The Man. Just go for it. You live once, the time is now!
If your dancing face to face real close just kiss her, plant your lips. Dont pussy around. Your already grinding, shes probably wetter than a waterfal. Be The Man and kiss that shit. Im pretty sure she wont slap you.

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you should've had make up sex
lol.
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Daniel, I think the problem at the big party might have been the comfort level. Like how much did you talk to her and compliance test her before you went in for the kiss close? orr
- maybe u could've isolated and sat down and done a kiss close routine there.

idk just suggestions take or leave 'em. ur an inspiration man
I think she's really comfortable with me... I've been talking to her a lot since I know her, she's a friend... Concerning the compliance ladder, I was at a high level I guess... She showed me her tattoo several time despite being in a personal area of her body. I did isolate her but maybe not enough. I don't know... I'll have other opportunities to practice.
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So which girl are you going after? If you keep Ping-Ponging back and forth, shit might hit the Fan. Not saying it will but iv seen it happen.

Be The Man. Just go for it. You live once, the time is now!
If your dancing face to face real close just kiss her, plant your lips. Dont pussy around. Your already grinding, shes probably wetter than a waterfal. Be The Man and kiss that shit. Im pretty sure she wont slap you.
I prefer Princess if that's the question, but the window of opportunity might have close unfortunately... I need to evict the wussy and stop complying to my ego's reaction!

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but the window of opportunity might have close unfortunately...
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Quick Update.

Here's a quick update about what I did Monday: text-game, Pizza Hut and going to the cinema.

Text-game.
I watched "No Flake" from Vin DiCarlo. It's about text-game, phone-game and how to prevent flakes... It gave me some nice insights about texting. Since I wanted to see Princess again, I sent some texts to her:

ME: Oi! Something reminded me of you :) [Opening a loop]
HER - Movies?
ME - TASCHEN & Interior design, was at the Fnac the other day... [TASCHEN being a book editor and Fnac a book store] Oh wanna take me out for a movie? [I think I made a mistake here, I jumped too soon in the occasion]
HER - Haha, nice! Monday night, movie night, I might go with *3 girls name*
ME - Damn you're almost getting me to come [reframe it as if she was inviting me]... which movie? I'm at a gr8t sushi place right now... soooo good [opening a new loop, seeding another event?]
HER - Nice! Well I might go to the movies later today, it's Monday after all...
ME - What's later for you? Won't be availabe til 3pm. Anyways you tell me. [should have put a smiley here]
HER - For now I have no idea of what/when/with whom, but I'll let you know and you'll see if you can join or no? I have to practice this afternoon too, so later is more night time. Enjoy your SUSHI, lucky you!
ME - Perfect to me.

I finally went to the cinema with German girl, a Canadian friend and another French dude. Princess had some dancing classes.

Pizza Hut cashier.
Went to a mall to grab something to eat. I had a nice interaction with the Pizza Hut cashier. She asked me where I was from, told her France. She told me that's was "chic". Asked her if she's been there and told me I should take her to Paris... She was barely a 6 but was wearing a employee suit... Anyways, I was thinking about Clozer... He probably would have # close her and filled her pussy in a few dates... Should I do the same... I dunno... it made me think.

Woman at avenida Paulista.
Before going to the cinema I opened a cute 30yo HB8,5 on avenida Paulista. Asked her direction for the bus stop. Nothing new when it comes to the approach but I had no AA at all and started a conversation with her. She was married/engaged and really beautiful. Made me think to... That's the kind of wife I'd like to have later... Her smile was wonderful. Made me think again about what I want.

Coming next: Princess' small birthday party.

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Looks like you're settling into feeling "familiar" with your actions regarding women. You should try to add some variety to your opening lines, see if you can find something that might keep you on your toes and provide a bit more excitment right off the bat. although there is nothing wrong with being in your comfort zone, and the directions opener works, you may benefit from being more dynamic in your interactions. Just a thought!

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AFC Daniel,

I've been reading this journal and I'm very impressed. It's great that you're putting yourself back out there. You have lots of potential, but it sounds like you aren't taking enough risk when you go out and game women.

It seems like every opener you use is to ask for directions. IT'S SO BORING! And the thing is, you seem to develop relationships after using such a sterile opener. Imagine if you used something more risky.

You mentioned in your last update that the French Natural was getting rejected a lot. That is why you see him as a natural, and that's probably why he is one. He focuses on winning and doesn't count his losses. You on the other hand are like me, the overly analytical type. I've got something great to tell you. That's why you're so dangerous compared to most guys. You're bloody smart, not to mention a quick learner.

You need to find balance. It's important to know what you have done wrong, but it's also important not to linger on it. It's important to know what works, but it's also important not to gloat and get arrogant. For example, you went through so many different AFC stages with German Girl. First, you try to kiss her 5 times and each time she said no. After she says no the first time, it's an indicator you need to change tac. I would usually say don't sweat a girl that flips you off. However, since you're still in the early stages of game, it's ok to notice it so you can learn from it. She was probably frustrated from you not making a move.

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If you're having trouble opening, memorize a few openers. This forum has a great section of canned openers you can use. However, use these only if you can't think of anything interesting to say. In other words, if all you can think of is something situational like asking for directions, use a canned opener. Take bigger risks, and don't be afraid of losing big. Getting the girl isn't worth it if you haven't stocked up on a few losses to begin with.

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Looks like you're settling into feeling "familiar" with your actions regarding women. You should try to add some variety to your opening lines, see if you can find something that might keep you on your toes and provide a bit more excitment right off the bat. although there is nothing wrong with being in your comfort zone, and the directions opener works, you may benefit from being more dynamic in your interactions. Just a thought!

Keep up the journal bud!
Indeed Insert... I need to go back a little to the old good day game an start to do some real approaches again :)

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I've been reading this journal and I'm very impressed. It's great that you're putting yourself back out there. You have lots of potential, but it sounds like you aren't taking enough risk when you go out and game women.

It seems like every opener you use is to ask for directions. IT'S SO BORING! And the thing is, you seem to develop relationships after using such a sterile opener. Imagine if you used something more risky.
You're perfectly right Tamer.
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You mentioned in your last update that the French Natural was getting rejected a lot. That is why you see him as a natural, and that's probably why he is one. He focuses on winning and doesn't count his losses. You on the other hand are like me, the overly analytical type. I've got something great to tell you. That's why you're so dangerous compared to most guys. You're bloody smart, not to mention a quick learner.

You need to find balance. It's important to know what you have done wrong, but it's also important not to linger on it. It's important to know what works, but it's also important not to gloat and get arrogant. For example, you went through so many different AFC stages with German Girl. First, you try to kiss her 5 times and each time she said no. After she says no the first time, it's an indicator you need to change tac. I would usually say don't sweat a girl that flips you off. However, since you're still in the early stages of game, it's ok to notice it so you can learn from it. She was probably frustrated from you not making a move.
Indeed. I've still have a lot to learn... I went back to her because I knew I could easily dance and escalate with her... Opening strangers is still a problem for me in night game.

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If you're having trouble opening, memorize a few openers. This forum has a great section of canned openers you can use. However, use these only if you can't think of anything interesting to say. In other words, if all you can think of is something situational like asking for directions, use a canned opener. Take bigger risks, and don't be afraid of losing big. Getting the girl isn't worth it if you haven't stocked up on a few losses to begin with.

Cheers, and good luck ;)
I even thought about trying direct...

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Quick Update.

Here's a quick update to catch up with what happened this last few days.

Princess' Birthday.
She organized a small birthday party. It was at more than 2 hours from my house but I made it and enjoyed the small party. Yet, she was quickly fucked up (I think she smoke something) and went to sleep in her bed... So I focused on the Little Brunette from Peru. I can't definitely not find the right "settings" for her... Anyways, there was also a cute French-Uruguayan girl who has a boyfriend... At some point, some Brazilian cavemen came and she ended up kissing one of the guy... His strategy? Put his hand in her pocket, and pull her... Come on?!

Reflection on relations.
How many girls in relationship have I seen making out with some random guys in parties? I know I have do understand that kissing does not mean a lot, especially in parties... (Insert's point) but damn... That makes me think on what I want with women right now.

Cervejada.
Thursday I went to a small party on the campus... basically, a place where people hang out and drink beer. I went by myself and found some friends quickly. At some point, I saw Little Miss Sunshine. We spoke a bit, she might come to France next year for an exchange. I noticed that some guys next to us where looking at us while we were speaking. Was he jealous? After 25 minutes of conversation, she went to speak to a guy... they seem really close. I stayed with another friend of mine. Anyways, I'm not interested in her anymore. Some minutes after I lost my friends and ended up alone at the party... I did not like it at all... I felt stupid... and I was stupid... I should have opened some people and just spoke to them but I did not. I went home. Bad party for me but I knew I have another one on Friday to get better.

Reflection on negative/positive thinking.
I've been able to contain negative thinking when I spot it. Yet, I realized that my ego (Tolle's definition) has a huge tendency to get over-satisfied and to project myself in a successful future... I can for example number close a cute girl and then spend the next hours projecting myself pimpin' like a boss... Of course, this is not good since it prevent me from being in the present. I waste an incredible amount of energy masturbating my ego... The point is, it's harder to spot this since it does not make me feel bad... I have to work on that. Actions: I've read a bit of Tolle and took some notes, I need to keep up on meditation a try harder to stop that mental masturbation. Focus on the present.

Reflection on my diet.
I've been eating really badly these days... Burger King, Pizza Hut, pasta, pasta... and pasta... I felt bad about it: physiologically and psychologically. Actions: I've bought some salad the other day. It felt good, I need to do that more often and take care of my diet even though I do 1 hour of workout once a week. We are what we eat right?

Coming next: report of the small architecture party of Friday (yesterday) night.

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