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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:05 am 
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So she said she texted me to cancel a date.... Yeah right.... I got no text.

Anyways, that's a pretty passive-aggressive behavior that sends out some seriously BIG red flags. So I'm going to steer clear. A phone call would've been appropriate.

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Hi N5213M,
want to highlight Taohackne reply point 3: you have given her too much power, maybe it is related with a possible desire to have a perfect first sarge so you unconsciously have started to adapt your time to her, and by doing so you compromised your congruence.

Nice post and nice attitude BTW

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Sounds fine so far. Be sure to post a followup.

I have to say that you are overthinking the IOIs. I laughed at the comment on the women's calves. Seriously, their legs have to face a direction.

One thing pscyh studies have shown is that men have a poor ability to tell when a woman is really showing interest. Men take the slightest nod as "we're having a moment". Where the woman is thinking, "I want to be nice and not hurt his feelings."

Women play with their hair out of habit. However, body positioning is less accidental. If she sits close or is turned excessively in your direction then it's a good sign.

My advice is that you chill just a bit and let the encounters flow.

*Hey do you know your forum name and sig don't match? 5213 vs 5123 :P
I'd say you are looking for IOIs while this gentlemen is reading body language, a much more proficient method for noticing attraction, once you understand body language more then you will realize it very rarely lies and there is almost always leakages. After all he read her body language right because he collected a number.

You are right and wrong, guys most often don't know what to look for. Girls only "feel" what they are looking at, often referred to as woman's intuition. A women maybe exposing her calves in a way to show them off, it is a subtle round reminder of ass or tits(incidentally also a reminder of the as, subconsciously we are all ass guys). The shoulder exposure is the same concept. Cleavage is a subtle reminder of the ass crack. We do things to remind the folks we are attracted to that remind them of sex, however subconsciously.

Some women play with their hair out of habit while others do not. It is the congruency within their normal behavior you are looking for. Is she doing it more or less often? Positive changes in their behavior will happen if she is attracted to you. With these women the preens you are looking for aren't always hair related(clothes, jewelry, etc.) and you want to look more for eye contact and submissive signals.

Guys don't know what to look for, most pick up artist I've seen know so much about what "works" and never why it works or even worse when it works. A slow get up, a girl walking by a place several times(when she doesn't have to) and making eye contact are what Perper referred to as Overtures. Simple but in this case all of his reads were correct she gave her his number, etc.

Another thing you seem to be missing is that legs are considered the most honest body part. Not the eyes, the face, the hands, the legs. The legs tell you more things if you know how to read them. So if a women subconsciously puts her feet closer or aims her toes at you, be confident they are rarely lying, if ever.

Which way their body points is very important, torso(lean forward, back, face towards, or away) are all very important signs in the courtship phases. They also show how far along you are in those courtship phases.

There is a lot you can learn my friend, my information is derived from well over 10 books(multiple PHDs and still going). It's not as if I made it up myself, you are using beginning psych classes and maxim articles it sounds like. I'm using literally over 100,000 hrs of other peoples time and studying plus my own observations.

This gentlemen read a thread with lots of that information in it. Though there is much more of that knowledge in my head now, all of it is still valid.

N5213M,

Even when there is a basis of physical attraction you have to take it easy, a women will see multiple men she is attracted to a day. You have to flirt with her(you did so well to start), with your texts/calls, make her more comfortable with you. Even though she is attracted doesn't necessarily mean she is comfortable with you.

If her comfort isn't high enough then you will be very over responsive. You need to mix flirts in with trust, so throw in honest things about yourself, so she can get ideas about you. You can't just jump into things, it's also great to remind her of somethings involving your interaction, teasing about where she is from or whatever else.

You overstepped your bounds is all it was, she wasn't comfortable enough with you, it's a good lesson to learn and unfortunately we all have to. Build comfort to build up for a meet, if you go for the meet to early(unless you are confirming plans which is always key) they will deny it or flake. The power switch all that stuff has it's place and makes sense, but men obsess with power, women do not. So take that into consideration whenever you think you "gave up the power".

Just some basics for you on phone game.

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