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Hi there.

I have couple of questions.

1. After direct opener, or observational. How do you transition into conversation? What do you talk about in mid-game? (example would be great)

Since I don't have stack of routines, I usually try to talk about common interests, and or if nothing, I just talk about what I'm interested in.

2. What is the difference between seductive eye-contact and normal eye-contact?

3. How can you express your interest in a girl, without sounding like a wuss?
1. My transition usually starts out with a cold read. If there's something about her that strikes me, then I'll say something about it, and then say what that tells me about her. If nothing really strikes me yet, I'll do a joke cold read that's obviously wrong, just to get her laughing, but also to get the info out of her in a more fun way. Or, you can launch into a random story about something funny that 'just happened' to you. Yes, absolutely talk about what you find interesting. If she's into that - conversation is easy! If you have to force things out of her, why the hell do you wanna go on a date and do that for 2 hours?

2. Look at her left eye, and imagine yourself fucking her. Hold it. That's the difference.

3. "Hi, I know this may sound a bit random, but I just noticed you from over there and I think you're absolutely gorgeous, so I had to come over and meet you. I'm _____" Sound wussy to you?

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Hey Ryan,

Randomly met a girl at this concert a little over a month ago. We pretty much hit it off from the start and the night ended with us walking around arm in arm, and her SPAM sn in my phone. A week later we kiss on our first official date, the following week we end up having sex and now we've just recently just started seeing each other exclusively.

I usually see her 1-2 times a week(i'm away at school + busy and she lives about 30 mins away). Whenever we hang out she'll tell me about how she missed me and the various things she loves about me(seems very much into the LTR thing), and we have a TON of things in common.

Surprisingly she doesn't have a cell phone because she couldn't afford it(thought she was bullshitting and first, but after she gave me her housephone # and told me more about her living situation I can tell she's for real) so we talk primarily on SPAM.

Now that the honeymoon phase is over and we're starting to get used to talking online almost every day and hanging out with her once or twice a week(never doing the same stuff, sometimes I'll take her out to a concert/show, other times we'll be hanging out in the city), what can I do to keep her interested?

I also, I notice that even though she seems very much into me, 90% of the time I'm the one initiating the communication via SPAM or phone. How do I know how much communication is too much, and what should I do to get her to initiate contact with me a little more? I know she's attracted to me and likes me, but she mostly shows this affectionate side of her in person.
Real simple - just pull away a little - don't call/SPAM her every day, drop out of the picture for a week, be a little busy. If she likes you at all, she's likely re-initiate. In general, try the 2/3rd rule for your communication management - make sure she's always texting/calling you 3 times for every 2 you contact her.

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I'm going to a party later on this week and I don't know anyone except for 2 people and the rest of them are pretty strangers. How are you suppose to act a university party where you're a complete stranger to everyone?

And also, how can you bring the AMOG down?

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1. I'm going to a party later on this week and I don't know anyone except for 2 people and the rest of them are pretty strangers. How are you suppose to act a university party where you're a complete stranger to everyone?

2. And also, how can you bring the AMOG down?
1. This is MUCH easier than what I used to do - going to a college party knowing NOBODY!

Basically you wanna arrive when things are starting to kick off, but it's not too packed. Make sure the friends you know are there, somewhere. Walk in the room with confident body language, smiling, and feeling the music and the energy of the room - you want to match that vibe, and then take it up a notch slightly. The guy who walks in looking nervous, looks around for someone he knows, and then stands to one side looking shiftily is lowering the energy and fun of the party. The guy who jumps in yelling and screaming to a quiet gathering of friends, is acting in an uncalibrated, socially unintelligent way. The goal is to sense the energy level, match it, and then amplify it.

So you wanna walk in, smiling, enjoying the music, and you want to immediately make eye contact with people around you and smile. Open the first few people you see, even if you don't know them - you can compliment someone on their clothing, ask how they know the host of the party, mention if they saw or heard about whatever random thing happened on campus recently (there's always some gossip about something!) or something like that. Joke around a bit, and feel free to use the time constraint that you need to find your friend X (and mention their name). This will make the people comfortable that you haven't just wandered in uninvited, and you're not gonna be that guy who finds one nice group and talks their ear off all night because they don't know anyone else. It also might open a thread of conversation because they might also be a mutual friend of theirs - easy way to build rapport!

If you do this early on, you have 2 or 3 safe groups you can always return to, plus a mission to find your friends. After you find your friends, you can choose to have them introduce you to people they already know, and you can introduce them to your new friends (the 3 safe sets you initially opened) this back and forth of introductions can create social momentum that will keep you meeting more and more people throughout the course of the evening, and it basically all comes from your initial 5-10 minutes from walking in and just putting yourself out there a little initially.

2. If your goal is to "bring down" people, then I would suggest you need to shift your mindset a little bit. My goal, not only when I go out at night or when I'm at work, but in life in general, is to give value, bring happiness and do good to people. If you're being a really charming, friendly, entertaining guy, towards the whole group of people, then the guys CANNOT be a dick to you because then THEY will look like assholes to the girls. If you engage with them and joke around with them, then they will like you and be more than happy to allow you to talk to their girls. If you have the mentality like you're doing something secret and wrong by trying to sarge their chicks, then you'll subcommunicate that and the guys will naturally act to protect their girls from you.

I've gone up to groups and said I want to hit on this one girl, and a guy in the group has smiled and said she's his gf. What did I do? I shook his hand and congratulated him warmly! Why on earth would he "amog" me for that? To be honest I don't even THINK about "amogging" - it doesn't even come up, because my focus is about going out and having a good time, so I haven't had a guy do it to me for years.

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Hey man, great idea for a thread!

Basically, i've been in a LTR with this girl, and all was good until she went on a trip with a couple of friends (5 guys 7 girls), during which she "reconnected" with an ex.

This dude starting hitting on her, and even when he knew she was in a relationship, he came on and said how he had feelings for her and he wasn't over her (while they didn't date, they just kissed a couple of times last summer - I didn't even know her).

So know, she wants to see him more often - as a friend, and he says that "I now see you as a friend since your in a relationship and didn't choose me" (but that, as we all know, is not possible).
So I obviously know that he's going to be hitting on her and chatting her up when they see each other. She just thinks that he wants to be friends.

So I told her to put herself in my shoes, and imagine that I told her I wanted to spend some time with a women that I considered a friend but was flirting with me and wanted to rip off my clothes.
She gave me the typical answer "It's not the same thing".

She then told me that she was upset because of the two possible scenarios:

A) She doesn't keep in touch with him and will lose him as a friend (which will sadden her) and she said that she will "unconsciously" be mad at me.
B) She keeps in touch with him but knows that its going to hurt me and will affect our relationship.

I know that she won't cheat, and that she does see him as a friend. But this guy DOES NOT see her as a friend, and I just don't want my girl hanging around a dude thats going to be gaming her.

So, how should I act?
A) Not give a fuck, and say sure go ahead see this guy. When I know there's a risk that it will not only piss me off but that he could steal my girlfriend.
B) Tell her that it will indeed piss me off is she maintains this relationship.
C) Something else that maybe someone could suggest?


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A) Not give a fuck, and say sure go ahead see this guy.
Yup.

I had a really similar situation yesterday. I bumped into my main girl on the street on my way home and said hi briefly. She was with another guy. I spoke to her later and she told me that it was this ex of hers who is "begging" to get back together with her (she has about 3 or 4 exes who are all at some stage of trying to get back with her). She's just seeing him as a friend obviously.

I honestly don't care. She's told me about these exes and how they're begging, and the whole thing sounds so needy and value-sucking, that I really don't consider them to be a threat to me. By allowing her to be free to do what she wants, I'm giving her that option, and every time she sees me, she's really CHOOSING me. If I were to react and forbid her from seeing them, then she'll resent my controlling her, and will push against me and want to see them MORE, paradoxically. This is human nature.

Your girl is absolutely right - anything you do other than allowing her to see them will cause her to resent you, because by telling her not to, you're showing insecurity. The most secure thing you can do is open yourself to the possibility of being hurt, knowing that you won't be.* This guy has already been really needy and weak by professing his feelings to her in that way, he's unlikely to be a threat to you. However, she wants to be nice and keep him as a friend. Let her. Let him try and game her, and the more he tries (and fails), the BETTER you'll look by comparison!

*This is the essence of being alpha - alpha body language presents your whole torso completely open to being attacked, whereas beta body language closes of and protects the body from the assumed inevitable attack. An alpha, direct approach telegraphs interest in the girl straight away, opening up the possibility of instant rejection, and in doing so actually massively sparks the attraction switch of confidence.

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Hi there,

I'll TRY & keep this brief without over-analysing everything...

I'm a 28 year-old guy with a physical disability (Cerebral Palsy) that I've had since birth. I'm a really positive, confident fella for the most part. I need to stress that my handicap honestly isn't a problem for me, and although I realise I might be generalising a bit too much here, it seems to be a MAJOR problem for the vast majority of girls that I interact with.

One of my major problems is being "fluid" enough in generally moving around, due to the fact that I have to walk with 2 sticks as a result of my disability. This obviously makes my body language often different, and even moving around & being able to even use kino effectively can often prove difficult at times. Again, this is NOT a confidence or reluctance issue on my part, but entirely a consequence of my aforementioned "physical limitations".

I have a great amount of social proof with both guys AND girls, but my main problem is that 99.9% of girls are either put off by my handicap, or just assume that I'm not "sexual" enough because of it. As a result, I often get numbers & the odd "day 2", but I almost always get LJBF afterwards, because I either don't sexually escalate enough, or the girls are "uneasy" whenever I attempt to!

Any thoughts on how I (and any other guys in a similar predicament to myself) might be able to "game" more successfully?

Thanks! (Sorry it was long!)


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Hi Ryan,

1. How would you go direct on a 2 set of girls?

2. Same question if the target is with a guy

3. Same question if the target is in a bigger group

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Hi Ryan,

1. How would you go direct on a 2 set of girls?

2. Same question if the target is with a guy

3. Same question if the target is in a bigger group

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1. If both hot - tell them they're both gorgeous/sexy, find out if they're single or what, and then go for the one that is, or seems the most into you.

If one target, one obstacle, tell the obstacle you wanna chat to / hit on her friend for just a sec, and include her a little in the interaction so she doesn't get bored and drag her away.

2. Compliment the guy on his amazingly hot girlfriend! If she's not, she'll tell you ;-)

3. Same as (1). If it's a really big group, depending on the situation, you can also just isolate her immediately and do a normal direct opener.

=> In front of groups, going X-rated direct will trigger her ASD and she'll be forced to say no. If you want to tell her she's fucking sexy and you want to get to know her and exchange orgasms, then wait until you've isolated, or if it's a lone wolf.

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hey Ryan,

What do you do when its actually the girl who's flirting with you, without you even trying or anything, do you play hard to get and neg her a lot or just make it simple and flirt back?

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A) Not give a fuck, and say sure go ahead see this guy.
Yup.

I had a really similar situation yesterday. I bumped into my main girl on the street on my way home and said hi briefly. She was with another guy. I spoke to her later and she told me that it was this ex of hers who is "begging" to get back together with her (she has about 3 or 4 exes who are all at some stage of trying to get back with her). She's just seeing him as a friend obviously.

I honestly don't care. She's told me about these exes and how they're begging, and the whole thing sounds so needy and value-sucking, that I really don't consider them to be a threat to me. By allowing her to be free to do what she wants, I'm giving her that option, and every time she sees me, she's really CHOOSING me. If I were to react and forbid her from seeing them, then she'll resent my controlling her, and will push against me and want to see them MORE, paradoxically. This is human nature.

Your girl is absolutely right - anything you do other than allowing her to see them will cause her to resent you, because by telling her not to, you're showing insecurity. The most secure thing you can do is open yourself to the possibility of being hurt, knowing that you won't be.* This guy has already been really needy and weak by professing his feelings to her in that way, he's unlikely to be a threat to you. However, she wants to be nice and keep him as a friend. Let her. Let him try and game her, and the more he tries (and fails), the BETTER you'll look by comparison!

*This is the essence of being alpha - alpha body language presents your whole torso completely open to being attacked, whereas beta body language closes of and protects the body from the assumed inevitable attack. An alpha, direct approach telegraphs interest in the girl straight away, opening up the possibility of instant rejection, and in doing so actually massively sparks the attraction switch of confidence.
Thanks! Great advice!

She told him that it wouldn't be respectful for me if she saw him as often as when she was single and they saw each other. So he said: "Ok you can forbid me to see you but you can't forbid me to text you all I want."

So now the dude is texting her stuff like "You sure about this? Is it really going to be him? You know I like you etc etc"
And she answered "Well yeah there wasn't even a choice to be made, I don't owe you anything."

Then I told her:"I told you this kid didn't want to be friends, it's not your fault, its his."

And she said: "I know, and i'm pissed at him for it."

So maybe she is finally realizing that this guy doesn't want a friendship and that this thing between the both of them cannot coexist?


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1. If both hot - tell them they're both gorgeous/sexy, find out if they're single or what, and then go for the one that is, or seems the most into you.

If one target, one obstacle, tell the obstacle you wanna chat to / hit on her friend for just a sec, and include her a little in the interaction so she doesn't get bored and drag her away.

2. Compliment the guy on his amazingly hot girlfriend! If she's not, she'll tell you ;-)

3. Same as (1). If it's a really big group, depending on the situation, you can also just isolate her immediately and do a normal direct opener.

=> In front of groups, going X-rated direct will trigger her ASD and she'll be forced to say no. If you want to tell her she's fucking sexy and you want to get to know her and exchange orgasms, then wait until you've isolated, or if it's a lone wolf.
Thanks Ryan! :)


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This guy has already been really needy and weak by professing his feelings to her in that way, he's unlikely to be a threat to you. However, she wants to be nice and keep him as a friend. Let her. Let him try and game her, and the more he tries (and fails), the BETTER you'll look by comparison!
ok what if that "guy" is actually laid back and cool guy, with a good game?


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What do you do when its actually the girl who's flirting with you, without you even trying or anything, do you play hard to get and neg her a lot or just make it simple and flirt back?
Make it simple. She's showing interest, return that interest and escalate. To neg would be to return an IOD for an IOI, essentially punishing her for hitting on you. You want to match her IOI with an IOI, and then push things further, essentially "calling" her IOI, and "raising" her some kino, for example.

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This guy has already been really needy and weak by professing his feelings to her in that way, he's unlikely to be a threat to you. However, she wants to be nice and keep him as a friend. Let her. Let him try and game her, and the more he tries (and fails), the BETTER you'll look by comparison!
ok what if that "guy" is actually laid back and cool guy, with a good game?
Well, it's her ex - they obviously broke up for a reason, and she's with YOU now, not him. Trusting her is the best option because it shows you're confident, non-needy, not overprotective, and you allow her to live her own life without you having to be with her all the time. You want the time she spends with you to be time she looks forward to and makes the most of, not time she feels obligated to spend with you because you've decided to be "boyfriend and girlfriend."

If she's leaves you for him, then clearly you weren't a good fit for each other, or you screwed up somewhere along the way and need to look at yourself and figure out if you can be doing things better and living a more attractive lifestyle in the first place. Regardless, if she was gonna get back with him, do you really think that forbidding her to see him would change that? No, in fact, forbidding her would only HEIGHTEN her desire to do so, therefore allowing her to is still the best strategy.

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