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Hey Ryan,
even though i disagree with ur mentality that direct is better
than other styles like indirect,i feel its a good thing that u
do that,cause it makes u deliver more solid information on the
direct attitude,being more fanatic about it and believing in it
more than other to the point of encouraging people to switch
to the direct attitude i feel makes u more qualified to
give content about it.I have the belief that all the different
methods and styles of sarging represent type of characters,
and one is not better than the other,it's just that
different people will do better when they follow the style that
their character is more compatible with.You believe that
direct is better because u've got to the point that u
get consistent results with it and i bet it feels like
the other styles are more time consuming and not
as fun or as fullfilling as it.The same goes with
indirect,if you were to ask Mystery what does he think about
going direct,expressing his interest right away,
instead of his under-the-radar,value-building
indirect style,i dont know what his answer would be,but i'm pretty sure
in his mind he'd be like "look man,i know with the right mindset
u can get results being direct,being upfront,but with indirect i feel
more comfortable".Being direct i feel makes a person expose the vulnerable
side of themselves and a majority of guys i feel that their character,
the way they were brought up,from family,school etc,is not suitable for that,
in fact they can actually get better results going indirect instead of
pure direct.
So the problem is,that the gurus out there,talk about their methods
as if every single guy is compatible with it,when in fact each guy
has to sit down and check within themselves somehow,what type of
character they are and choose to follow a style that's more compatible with that
so they can enjoy sarging more,and thus get better results from it.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS,what do u think about that,how can guys check within themselves,
and find out what style they are more compatible with,what questions do they have to
ask themselves or what to do to find that out
THE SECOND QUESTION,is basically how can a guy avoid burning out when he starts
going out for sarging.You know what burning out means,like imagine a
new guy chooses a method,and starts going out to get some results,
after weeks and weeks,he realises that he's failing a lot,and that
even though he gets some results,he fails so much that he's discouraged
to keep going,so he decides to stop sarging.He goes back to his old way
of living thinking "screw this whole pickup thing,it's too intense,i wanna
live like a normal guy".That for me it's actually bad,especially for a guy
that put time and effort into this knowledge,weeks after weeks,reading after
reading and in the end quitting,how does a guy find the discipline to keep going
through the pain period,through the rejections and keep his focus on the
long term goal,i know it's a tough question so i really want to put some
deep thought on it
those 2 questions i wanted to ask u,congrats for becoming a moderator here, i
feel you're a great guy
1. The only way you can check if a style is congruent with your personality is to learn some of it, go out and try it out, and see if you enjoy doing it and it gets you results. Debating pickup from a purely theoretical approach is pointless KJing that doesn't help anyone. When you read something a go "oh shit that sounds fucking awesome!" then that should provide you with the motivation to go out and try it!
2. If you're going out and sarging and you get some results, but then plateau, then that's natural. You've probably hit a new sticking point. Figure out where your interactions are breaking down, and go out and look for some advice about that area. Take in a couple of different techniques, and try them out - whichever one works the best, ingrain it into your game, and then move on until you hit another brick wall.
As for "failing," I don't believe that ANY guy who is consistently going out and working on this stuff is failing at all. Everyone has days, weeks, even months where nothing works. But the only failure is to not try. Every single approach is a learning experience that's helping you find your style and calibrate it. Getting blown out is absolutely inevitable and will always happen. It's how you choose to look at it. Personally I enjoy getting blown out in hilarious ways - I go for challenging sets on purpose and revel in awkwardness and tension.
On to your general point about direct vs indirect. Whilst I believe that there is something to be said for developing your own unique style that suits your character and personality, I believe there are only a few sets of circumstances where indirect is useful. The first is when a girl is with her group of friends who can hear the conversation. If you tell her you wanna fuck her in that context, social programming will FORCE her to say no, even if she wants to, in order for her to not look like a slut. Secondly, in a closed social group where you know some of the men and women, going direct on their friends may backfire, in some cases. In both cases, the solution is simply to initially be indirect in front of the group, then isolate your target and THEN make your intentions clear.
I fundamentally believe that indirect game teaches men a very limiting belief and ingrains a terrible mentality - that you CAN'T express your sexual / romantic intentions to a woman honestly and openly (or at least until she's made it very very clear that she has similar feelings towards you). If women want a DOMINANT man who can LEAD them (which most say they do), then how are you going to do that if you're waiting around hoping she'll give you some IOIs, and constantly worrying about what she's thinking, or if she likes you, or if it's ok to kiss her yet? Fuck that shit - if you like her, TELL HER! It's really that simple.
When it comes to direct, I don't think it's something that only suits a certain personality. I've worked with many guys, and heard testimonials from others who have worked with the best direct guys like Alan Roger Currie, David X, Badboy and Sasha, who started out being very shy and having direct game literally change their life! And that's exactly the point - it's not a system or a method or a technique. Being direct is a WAY OF LIFE - it's saying fuck being afraid, fuck what other people think, if I want a girl I'm gonna damn well tell her, regardless of whether she might "reject" me, blush, laugh, or run away!
CHAT
