I work in fast food.

Social status is a huge problem for me. I can't afford to dress nicely. Sometimes I can't even afford to go out.

This sucks. As you can see in my other posts I'm trying to formulate a plot to increase my social status, but it's going to take some time.

In the meantime can anybody offer any suggestions to work around this issue?

Inevitably the question of "So what do you do for work?" comes up every-time I gain any ground, and I'm ashamed to answer it. I'm always dreading it.

"I'm in sales"

"I train primates to read minds"

"You ever heard of dolphin safe tuna nets? I invented that shit"

"I'm a stripper"

"I get paid to talk to boring women" personal favorite

"Actually I inspect the cardboard zippers on detergent boxes. It's actually quite interesting... if you have a couple of hours I can tell you all about it" with a smile.

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Hey, I don't know your situation--you referenced another post, I don't where it is.

However if you are working in fast food because you are not in college, then my biggest recommendation for you is to go to a community college. (Don't Sigh, HEAR ME OUT)

To give you some perspective, right now is the best time to be in your position. Why? Because there are a lot of people who are not only out of a job but even worse, out of a career. I don't know how old you are, but just imagine being in your forties and finding out that what you thought was a lifetime career is now gone and you have to retrain to get another career.

I'm not exaggerating, Law School which has always been considered a safe bet akin to medical school is now being outsourced to India. There are whole bunch of law school grads with massive loans who cannot find a job.

They are not only broke, they are massively in debt with a worthless degree and nowhere to go. Try explaining that one to a chick...ugh marrying me means marrying 100,000 dollars worth of debt.

Why do I suggest a community college? The reason being, because you can go a lot of different directions without incurring any debt.

In my state to be a paralegal, all you need to do is go to a community college with a paralegal program and get an AA--associates degree. That can be done in as little as two years. Why am I suggesting paralegal where I just ripped on law school? Because those jobs that are not being outsourced to India, are now being handled by less expensive paralegals and not lawyers.

Paralegals make a good income, some states have a starting salary of $50,000.

That is just one route a community college can take you. Generally, a community college can offer you a quick trade and an associates degree. Another trade, but one I do not recommend, is nursing. Community colleges specialize in nursing programs. I don't recommend it because everyone is going to nursing, it's going to become saturated.

Really, what you have to do is look around to the community colleges in your state, see if they offer some sort of trade program that interests you. Make a list of all the trade programs from various community colleges that interest you then research their current and future marketability.

When you find the best fit, then enroll and take classes and work towards your trade, your AA, and continue working fast food.

Now, here is the best part. Community Colleges have an overwhelming supply of hot chicks. These chicks are in the same position you are in; they are working towards a goal. Consequently, if they ask you what you do you can just say you are working towards whatever trade and an AA. Most girls will accept that as a good answer, because it shows you at least have a plan for your future also they are in the same position.

Now, here is even another great part. Suppose you get certified in your trade and you get your AA. At that point, you may decide to go for a BA. This is even better because instead of working fast food towards your BA, you can work in your trade while working for your BA. Also, in most states Community Colleges have an agreement with certain state schools to guarantee you admission upon receiving an AA.

Trust me, follow this plan and you will meet tons of chicks and you will be at least middle class, which really is all the social status required in this country. Trust me, I'm middle class, I hook up with upper class chicks. However to be honest, I have a little bit of an edge because I am supper educated--literature, art, music, math, science...I know it all man. But again, you will have your own edge.

How does this sound?

I doubt any of us has all the elements that are attractive to women. Never ever be ashamed of your reality, if this is what you do for work then this is what you do for work. Let it be, whats your ambitions and life goals? thats what you show, what you want to be, they will see the passion and determination if you show excitement about what you want to become. That counts more. If your job was relatively low paying at least your advantage is that you will filter out those gold diggers. When talking to a chick, if one of the first questions she asks is "whats your job" or even "how much did your watch cost" or any other financial status related questions then be ware its a gold digger, you don't want them because they don't want you, they want your money. I don't think this is a big issue. Regardless of age, I see this is something you can demonstrate other skills to work around it. I've seen broke people with fine girls even! I'm 22 and I never had a job in my life, and I feel ashamed. I do mention it sometimes to female-friends without worrying about it, my reason is I go travelling in long holidays and during course-study period I focus more on my studies and don't have time for getting a job, I see that as a DHV infact! however, even though I'm classified here as "rich" by my friends here because of my father's job, I still have average priced material in my room, nothing luxurios, because I ask for minimum allowance from family, just about enough to live and go out occasionaly because I don't like to be an adult asking for money, another DHV! Reach people at an emotional level, explain to them that in life you have to work hard to gain little and how "life is a beautiful struggle" because it is.

Never be ashamed of your reality, suck your community to it, those who wanna live it are the ones who deserve your time, those who don't are the ones you don't need, trust me. There is many ways to DHV and I'm 100% certain that this is a minor issue that can be forgotten by DHVing in other ways to the point where this doesn't even matter.

Good luck

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ps. I forgot to add, for social status...have many friends, its easy, its not even a challenge becoming mr popular, just treat people with respect the first time you meet them, whenever you see them next, always smile and say hi even if they just walk past you, make small talks and get to know them in your community, it creates a strong presence for you. this is what I've done, soon enough, a friend would come and tell me that they were sitting in the library and heard people in the next table talk about me and mention my name! whatever their conversation was, I was mentioned because people know me. find something that you like and build something. for example, I love football (Americans call it soccer), so I started a team and we are playing in a tournament...leadership, passion, communication, confidence, more friends within the team and other teams, a lot of indirect DHVs already. also, sense of humour, with everyone, as long as its within limits!

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I can tell you that you don't need to dress THAT nicely to have awesome game.

I mean, clothes will get you far in the game. WHen you get money, get some nice clothes. Don't buy those ps3 games or anything. Buy some nice clothes. I've actually gotten instant attraction because of how I dress.

If you don't have nice clothes, then don't worry. You don't need 'em. They're just helpful tools.
As long as you have a clean shirt (preferably with no writing or brands visible on the shirt), a clean pair of jeans, and some cologne, then you're good.
By clean clothes, I mean a shirt and pair of jeans that have no stains on them.
Now, I think you should dish out around 40-50 bucks on a thing of cologne. That is really helpful. Like, seriously, I always get compliements because of how I smell.

See, if you have these three things, then how you dress is fine.

Pick up is mostly about inner game. From your post, I can tell that you don't have a good inner game. There's lots of articles out there on inner game. Try improving it. You work at a Fast food joint. So what? At least your making some money. If she looks down on you, then forget about her. Once you get better game, then you can game her, but for now, just forget about girls like that.

It doesn't matter if you have money or not. If you're into daygame, then going out with as little as 3-5 bucks is doable. after you get the date and time for the date, then go to the park with a frisbee and a carton of ice cream. All that probably costs maybe 4 bucks. (Borrow a frisbee).

I can't help you with social status. There are a lot og uys who don't like me because I hit on their girls. There are a lot of girls that don't like me cause I hit on their sisters. Haha. Most of my friends aren't into this, so I go out alone. I'm pretty successful though.

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"When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome!. True Story." - One of the greatest PUAs ever!

I am 20 years old, not in school, work part-time at a fast food joint and I dont have any problem with the feeling of social status. (admitedly I plan on going to university soon, and I do stand-up comedy) When girls actually talk to me about what I do I tell them where I work and I'm not embarrased about it but I always tell them my plans and how I want to be a stand-up.

I say find other things to do get ambitions in life and speak about that girls like ambitious dudes, unless you want to work in fast-food forever. (than I think you should be worrying about other things the PU lol) then fucking own it man who cares do your thing dude if it doesnt bother you it won't bother them. Definetly work on your inner game.

You are not defined by your job or clothes.

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Any girl who is quick to judge or assume things about you based on your job is not worthy of your conversation let alone your attention.

*I'm paid to clean the urinals at the local strip club.*

There are two ways of dealing with this. Either complete deadpan "i flip burgers" or by outlandish statement "I'm a ninja". If you can regain the momentum after the deadpan then your career/social status will soon be forgotten.

As your game improves, women will not feel the need to ask you "sooo, what do you do then?", at least not in early interaction - it is a question that PUAs tend to avoid as it is utterly vanilla and lacks any imagination whatsoever.

I have a work in progress theory that men misinterupt the concept of social status as understood by women.

I'm starting to believe that social status of a man from a woman's p.o.v is based not on rank, but his value to the group.

I think men tend to assume the higher in rank they are, get the better job, get that promotion, etc it will automatically lead to bitches.

I don't think that's true. Womens genes do reward male social status. But I think that status is based on your value to the people in the group, not your rank.

For example my day job is a junior manager at major investment bank. That's a pretty great fucking career for a guy in his late 20s. Does it automatically get you women. No it doesn't. For example a fireman would easily out game me based on job alone. He is more valuable to society.

The theory is that your status in a group, and hence attractiveness to women based on that status comes from the value you add to the group. So back to my personal experience, when I was a junior analyst running around like mad helping out every single trading desk across the floor I actually had a lot of social status, with other men telling me I was the most important person on the floor. And this actually did help with women at work. They could see I was a valuable person and often mistook me for being much more senior.

A few years into my career where I'm higher in rank, doing a more specialist role, but actively helping fewer people day to day, that social status based on value to number of people in the group isn't there.

I actually tend to lie about what I do for a living anyway to women. I tell them that I'm at clown school, or I work as a living statue (people who get tips from tourists to stand around in London's west end pretending to be a statue..), shit like that.

I'm new to this forum and I don't know yet how people handle different views, but upfront I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes I'm just trying to provide another perspective for the poster to think about.

In terms of providing outlandish statements regarding what you do for living. I agree but for a different reason and for a different situation.

Sometimes, if a girl asks me what I do for a living I will say, "I'm a lumber jack." And generally the girl will laugh and ask me what I really do and then I'll say, "What you have something against lumber jacks? That napkin you're holding with your drink, that's all me. Lumber jacks make the world go round." I'll keep going until she finally gets to the point where she will say, "so, you really are a lumber jack?" Then I will respond, "Jesus Christ, your really think I'm a lumber jack? Wow, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you..." and then just go from there.

Here's the thing though. I'm not trying to hide anything.

I live near a very expensive cosmopolitan area. I go to upper-end wine bars, bars, or lounges. There are no freakin' trees where I live. It is highly improbable I would be a lumber jack given all the circumstances. Getting her to even think there is a small possibility of me being a lumber jack is just a way for me to play with her.

Also the reason I sometimes say, "I'm a lumber jack," is because a lot of women relative to men are now as interested if not more so in having a high powered careers.

The biggest mistake professionals make in trying to pick up women is to throw their profession around as some sort of leverage. This may have worked in the fifties, but now the most likely result you will get from the girl is not admiration but career envy. Instead of becoming an object of affection, you will become an object of competition and envy in her eyes.

So I can say, "I'm a lumber jack," because I've had two admirable professions, but I do not want her to view me in light of those professions. Again, I'm not hiding anything.

In terms of people accepting your reality or what have you. To me that sounds too much like, "people should like you for who you are." I mean sure, there could be some Matt Damon like Will Hunting out there who really is a genius but working as a janitor. If that person exists, then I would agree the statement applies to that person.

However come on be realistic, who you are is function of everything you do, believe, and have. It's a hell of a lot easier to DHV when you actually are high value. So instead of pretending to be high value, become high value.

If you are in your early twenties there really is nothing stopping you from becoming high value. Not to criticize but being lazy, unambitious, and trying to take the easy way out of everything is a big DLV.

The best ever reply by far to being asked "What do you do for a living" is....

" If I told you...you wouldn't believe me" If you're articulate and have some intelligence about you she is going to assume you have a high status job or are very rich.

They usually reply "your rich aren't you?" but just respond with "you wouldn't believe me if I told you.. and I'm not going to tell you" This drives them mad

And consider this you aren't actually lying about anything, maybe they won't believe you.

An old wingman of mine after losing his job ended up labouring on a building site for a few months a couple of years ago, even though he was a design Engineer.

During this time we met two HB8's both successful solicitors (attorneys) my wingman wouldn't tell his HB what he did for a job for 3 weeks of dating eventually she wears him down and he tells her "I'm a labourer on a building site" to which she replies " I don't believe you!"

Well he didn't lie did he :-0

I am a solicitor (attorney) and I find myself being self-deprecating about my job when sarging. Perhaps this is because generally people don't like lawyers or because I think it's a bit gauche and boorish to talk at length about the office when you're trying to engage the opposite sex in conversation. I tend either to say "I'm a ninja" or some nonsense like that (which allows some joshing and a mini argument "no, seriously - I'm a ninja") or "I scribble on 200-page contracts with red pen".

I think for the original poster the key is, however you work it, do not display any level of insecurity about your job or social status - doing so will damage your value. If you can be a person who is very outgoing, confident, engaging and knowledgeable despite your perceived lower social status then this can be a part of your personality.