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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:09 pm 
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Got a Date

A girl i got with early last year on a night out but because of my chodeness i couldn't put into a Day 2 or anything and it fizzled out. She lived in a different town too, so hard meeting up.

Anyway, she said hey on FB chat randomly on Sunday night, spoke to her used a few things and got her new number and said we'll go for coffee this week, she seemed keen.

I'll write up that in here after it happens (If it happens). She's actually cute too. She also basically approached me and escalated until i was clever enough to realize what was going on hahaha

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getting off of the opener/ not letting conversations fizzle out so fast


This seems to be my problem right now, if i make an approach or any interaction, getting off the initial frame and subject rarely happens.

Solutions

Openers

- (night game) Hey do girls find the actor Sean Connery attractive. . . the reason I'm asking is i have a friend, she's 18, and claims he's THE hottest guy in the world.

- (Night game - when ive got more balls) Hey Im Shah, i wanted to talk to you/ youre interesting/ you're cute.

- (Day Game) hey excuse me, i was wondering if you could help me. . .im actually looking for the nearest. . .the nearest coffee shop around here, im not exactly sure where i should be going to find one. Im trying to avoid the regular starbucks where everybody else goes to. (this is said with emphasis in some words, pauses and mild laughs)

- (Night Game) Do girls like it when guys have loads of tattoos?

*** My socialising works better when i overhear girls speaking about something and i just say something to do with it.


Getting off of the Opener

Okay Ive been reading some TylerDurden work, AFCAdam videos for ideas.

Night Game

During night game, Im going to use COLD READS to help get off the opener then move onto a ROUTINE based on the few COLD READS i use.

COLD READS

My cold reads will either end up saying they're either nice or mean/bad/evil and then have 2 routines that bounce from each branch.

i.e. Opener - They reply - Cold Read - they reply - Routine - get to know them, how they know each other.

1 [To friends] You guys are the nice ones, Im going to hang with you
[girl im trying to get with] You're the mean one, my mother said to stay away from you're type.

2 You lot are feisty, like the Powerpuff girls.

3 You're drunk, you wouldn't even remember this interaction.

4 You've got this good girl face but you've got an evil side to you.

5 You're just disagreeing (being rude) with me for the sake of it!! You don't know how funny this is. You're funny.

***I know they've got to be as playful as possible and not mean/serious.

From Here

I would use the GIRLS ARE PREDATORS routine (Ive got it written down on paper)
as a default one but i will write out 2 more and post them on here tomorrow.

One will be able to bounce off of 'being bad' and another for 'being a nice girl'.


Day Game

Day game i got ideas from AFCADAM which is approaching INDIRECTLY but non-verbally being DIRECT

example : using the COFFEE SHOP OPENER but with heavy EC, pauses, little laughs and BL, even maybe some kino (depending on the situation).

Eye contact
pauses in speech
little laughs


My Game to Get Off the Opener

coffee shop opener - qualify on being helpful - use a short scripted story - introduce myself and speak about her - #close.


Me: coffee shop routine
Her being helpful/friendly
Me: thank you ever so much, you're actually really friendly, i should probably introduce myself [60handshake and name]
Me: *speak about*
- what she does in the area
- where she hangs out
- qualify her on my stuff
- use "hey if you have 5minutes we could go for a coffee"
- number close "here give me your number"

** this can work with any directions.

Default Kino

- Hi - 5
- handshake
- Shoulder grab on emphasizing a point

EVALUATION

- Try it out, then re-plan, as this is just ideas. Ill probably end up doing something completely different no matter how hard i try and stick to it.


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Ive still got to do the 5 casual approaches but i think with this i can use those approaches and escalate from there. We'll see.

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DAY GAME

Issues Addressed

- Failing to step out of the comfort zone
- Waking up early
- Bolognese opener thread practice.


What Happened

This is my second attempt at DAY GAME. I woke up early (For me) and got the hour-long bus into the city. I had a headache and was still sleepy. I walked around loads and basically failed. MY voice had done it's usual thing and clogged up so i couldn't even speak to cashiers with out having to coughing and clear my throat.

I then stepped into a coffee shop and sat down and did some writing (Planning a film sequence I'm trying to produce), some girl (in a 2set) gave me some eye contact a few times and I didn't do anything about that. So then i started doing the BOLOGNESE THREAD OPENER practice on girls that were around. I also got EC off another girl with her friend a few times but again i failed.

Evaluation

- Failed today, no excuses.
- The 2 girls who gave me EC were in 2 sets, might have been the reason why I didn't approach.
- The BOLOGNESE OPENER THREAD practicing actually felt like it helped, so tomorrow i'll start the day doing that to get me in the mood.
- Stopping people in the street is hard, need to find a place I can open that's just a day-time social venue. We have no mall.
- Waking up early means i have the day to do things such as DAY GAME.

What I will Do

Tomorrow

Go out and speak to 5 cashiers/shop assistance/older women.

Do BOLOGNESE OPENER THREAD around coffee shops, benches in towns etc. Get a collection of 10 - 20 different girls with an opener or 2 for them (that's impossible NOT to do)

Speak to an attractive girl for directions/COFFEE SHOP OPENER (if possible lol)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:43 pm 
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SATURDAY 5th MARCH 2011

NIGHT GAME

Ah okay ive been ill all week, i thought i was just tired or something but turns out i was ill so its why i haven't posted up much for the week.
Friday night just hung with some friends in a bar and opened 1 girl:
*turning around looking at us and checking her phone in her pocket*
Me: hey we're not stealing, thats mean.
Her: haha no i was just checking my phone

We spoke for bit but i couldn't get off the damn opener, especially around my friends.


anyway here is saturday night.

Issues Addressed

- opening loads
- social momentum
- 'just doing it'
- finally getting off the opener
- not being serious enough.
- conversation/mid game problems

Also i actually opened/approached like crazy this night but i thought I would put up the 5 that were important and that i best remember (Wasn't drunk just bad memory lol).

My approaches


First Approach

- In a very busy bar we waiting to get to the bar, so i speak to 4 older women (who were quite hot blondes still might i add);

Me: Hey *puts arm around female friend* do you think we look like a good couple?
Them: Yeah you do! really good! its okay shes taller
Me: yeah she's the guy
Them: Haha blah blah
Me: She cheated on me 5 times though. . . all different guys. . . at the same time.
*everyone laughs*

We got speaking about general shit chat and a good vibe was set, the taller one was KINO'ing me quite a bit but i sorta bailed it was a good 5/10minute interaction.

- Opening ASAP is important to set the night out.
- People are friendly, its not an uphill struggle
- Dont worry if your mind freezes just before the approach, you can come up with stuff the say.

Second Approach

*this one taught me a lesson and im proud of it*
I saw a group of about 7 HB's all dressed in white greek dresses walking around, they were turning heads. They walked passed me but I failed to say anything but then i saw them ahead of me later and thought "No, you ARE speaking to them"

Me:*walking passed* Hey, why are you all dressed in white greek dresses? Im just wearing jeans and a polo shirt.

- They were really responsive and explained why, people are just happy to speak to others and i can just chat with people.

- I wasn't going to open them but i forced myself to go out of my comfort zone

Third Approach

Walking to another bar a guy zooms passed with guy piggybacking him and nearly goes into some girls behind me, so i open them with a terrible opener;

Me: Ah the traffic around here is terrible (In reference to the piggyback guys)


- They laughed and one of them (the hottest one) ended up being really cool and we got on really well, teasing each other and joking around to the point i actually forgot to ask her name because we had so much to talk about.
She even invited me to go wherever her friends were going but i had to meet my friends/pussied out (it was 50/50).

- I was so in the moment i couldn't say how long it was we spoke. It was quite flirty and high energy too.

Fourth approach

We had been in L2 (the club i mention in nearly every field report) and i didnt do any opening in there because it really must just be that club. We went into another club though on the dancefloor next to 2 HB's. i wanted to open them but i was too scared then i got annoyed and thought "Do i really want this to be me? the guy letting fear stop him from doing things. Where is this getting me just not doing anything? nowhere. fuck this im speaking to them", i look over and a guy is trying to speak to them;

Me: HEEEEYYYY (loud club) Do you think me and this guy make a good couple?
Them: Haha yeah you do
Me: Good because we're proud, are you two proud about being lesbians
HB1: No we're not-
HB2: Yeah we love it, im the boss
Me: Ohh yeah i can see that
blah blah blah

- I had lots of doubts though because MEGATRON was with me and he was being a lot more higher energy and conversating better, so me and HB1 were mildly talking. I didn't feel any gaming going on it felt like i was boring her.

- In the end MEGATRON tried to #-close HB2 but she said "No" until i said its just being friendly nothing else and then i told HB1 to give her number to him (I didn't even ask for it i felt it went that bad. Surprisingly, he went and gave them a hug but they came over to me to give me a hug and i didn't even go/ask for a hug.

- I also was NOT going to open but pushed myself to step out of my comfort zone and open them and although it was just a hug (I know they weren't attracted to me or anything) but i guess that shows that i couldn't have been that boring.

Fifth Approach

I'll include about 3 or 4 approaches under this one because it was the same opener.

I opened a LoneWolf walking around, older but hot
Me: Hey
Her: *stops*
Me: (I have NOTHING TO SAY) *I slowly raise my finger into a moustache above my lip* Do you think I should grow a moustache?

- I used that one on lots of girls walking passed to the toilets as i was waiting for ages for some people. See it worked well and i got some 'ioi's (not that i go around looking for them) and i got off the opener a few times but i realised i didn't 'drop the act' and just act normal - which i should have.

Evaluation

I opened way more sets. I think this is because;

- i opened early so it set a mood for the night.
- i followed social momentum
- i pushed out of comfort zone
- i was in areas i liked to game not the usual stupid club
- situational openers we're used and i made 2 openers that i can use again (each made on the spot, though one is just a copy of Vaj's)

I got off the opener;

- I successfully got off the opener by just cutting thread or using cold reads
- I need more practice but i need to come up with more SOLID WAYS of getting off the opener.

After the opener i need to make it into an interaction that isnt me just prancing around, maybe more casual

- I dont know maybe I was doing good but i felt like i needed to stop acting silly and get to know them after they seemed like they wanted to stay.

- This i think will be achieved by after she enjoys my company to just say "I stopped you because i thought you were cute/hot/interesting". Ill try it out and see.

The club i usually go to must be bad environment for gaming and I have found better places to go to :)

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I will post up about what direction ill take for the next outing, I feel like talking to random HB's will be a lot easier from now on.

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MONDAY 7TH MARCH 2011


Issues Addressed

- Social Shyness
- State
- Mid-game/conversation
- Amog'ing (by own friends)


Social Shyness

I made 2 approaches. I should have opened more, i know. It was in L2 which is a club I've mentioned i can't open in very well but it was the only place open and i want to work on opening in there as i go there often and its where most people go.
I think the fact i was annoyed at the 2 guys i was out with broke my state and made it harder for me to be social. Also everybody was on the dancefloor (literally at some points) and I'll stick to learning 'normal' game for now.

Amog'ing/State

These 2 go together. MEGATRON and my other friend were both being annoying all night to the point I literally stopped speaking to them for the most part.

- Megatron constantly speaks like he's better than everyone and when speaking to girls always tries to tool you and 'DLV' you.

- The other guy just acts way to 'macho', always saying "alright boys!", "boys lets make a move!". I wouldn't mind so much if it didn't seem so pushed and fake. He always tries to act like the commander in front of new people by making decisions that were already determined beforehand or stupidly simple.

Example
Every monday we do the same thing, leave the house at 9:45pm and go to L2 club

*speaking to someone who's came to speak to a SPAM*

My friend: alright boys! What's the plan for tonight then? I know we'll set off here at about quarter to 10 and then go to L2. Yeah ive sorted it.

Example2

ME: hey megatron can i go on your computer upstairs? need to check something.
Megatron: yeah sure man
Other friend: Oh and you go upstairs and put some music on for us! (said in a dickish way though)

- Why not just "hey yeah lets put some music on", he also then started shouting what to put on all bossy macho.

- I wouldn't mind so much if he was like that in general but when he's speaking to new people or some girl in the club he just acts really nice and friendly and like "oh okay yeah thats nice".

- He also goes to heavy on the KINO with guys/me to act all macho, he reminds me of those stupid beer-keg frat guys you see in movies who wreek of insecurties.

My Problem

They're both cool guys, its just i can't put up with it all night as if someone starts acting a way i don't like i just ignore them. Last night though i felt a deep resentment towards it as i just thought "does it always have to be like this on nights out?", its cool when its just us 3 chilling out but when new people come around it gets annoying.

Another example

This is of MEGATRON acting like he's better than everyone;

Me: *Chilling and being quiet as i didnt want to get with the fat friend of a 2set who was kinda annoying*
Megatron: hey shah, tell us a joke, we need some entertainment.

- I didnt even turn my head to recognise i heard it but ignoring and being silent all the time is boring.


I Need Some Advice

I wonder if it's just my own insecurities that make me blow this out of proportion but i need to know 3 things;

- Some advice about frame control, I roughly know what it is but some practical advice or books, videos to watch would be good.

- Some tips on Amog'ing

- Does it sound like I'm being a drama queen?

- What would you do? I figure just beat them at their own game and beta them and frame control them.

- It feels like its almost constantly like that with them which is the problem, i don't mind every now and then but the whole night is like that.


My Approaches

First Approach

My friend was Amog'ing me and he basically came over started hugging me and them got really OTT on it and basically trying to tool me and look all cool whilst still putting under the pretense that he was just being friendly so i turn to the girl next to me;

Me: hey don't you think me and him make a good couple, hugging and all?
Her: haha yeah i guess so
- We get talking but My friend and MEGATRON were getting involved from the start and basically i was no more than a foot away and they were talking and getting closer. This broke my state and annoyed me but i played it casual. I let my friends talk and i locked in against the bar and spoke a bit.

Me: hey kiss me here *pointed at my cheek*
- She did.
Me: and here *other cheek*
- she did
Me: Now here *On the lips*
- She did.

Then she asked me to kiss her as it wasn't fair so i said say please and did kiss her. With my 2 friends still stupidly close bugging me then because the opener was gay, she kept on asking if we were gay and should kiss,my friend kept on trying to kiss me. Ugh. Then i decided she wasn't that hot and i bailed and left it even though she saw me a few times and came over.

Second approach

Some HOT GIRL walked passed as we were walking, minding her own business;

Me: hey. . . HEYYYY
*she turns around*

I tried to get my friend to play along with my couple opener but he was being difficult whether because he didn't know what i was doing or not. so she sorta just chuckled and gave me a thumbs up and walked off.

- This was my fault, i should have calibrated and used a different opener or even gone direct as she was alone.

Notes On My Approaches

- I turned my friend amog'ing into an opener, which was good.
- I locked in and got her to kiss me. I was comfortable and i used compliance ladder.
- I should have #closed her for the sake of learning and escalated.
- My actual mid-game/conversation was bad with the first approach.

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Mid-game/Conversation

Megatron wanted to speak to a 2set next to us who i didn't think looked hot and was why i didn't open. I should just speak to anyone, especially girls to stay in set/conversation but anway, he asked me for something to say to them to get started. I said to say "Do you think guys can dance?" because a load of guys were dancing terrible on the dancefloor in front of us.

He used it and it went well, as he's good at speaking to girls just doesn't do cold approaches (doesn't know of the game either) and i came over to deal with the FatFriend but my conversation skills are bad, Megatron was having loads of fun and joking around whilst i made boring smalltalk with some girl i didn't really want to speak to. The FatFriend also seemed to be interested in speaking to Megatron as it turned out they all knew each other or something, somehow.

Also some girls were speaking to my friend so i went over but again i couldn't make much mid-game/conversation, I think my state was partly why but i do know I'm bad at conversation on approaches. the fact i realised how bad my conversational skills were, also made me less wanting to open or even just speak to anyone.

Overall it was a bad night.

Evaluation

- I need to learn to Amog/frame control better.
- Be more unreactive.
- Conversate better.
- Open regardless of state, mood, situation. As 60 said "You open just to open, not for it to go good or bad. Just get it out the way".

I'll put up a post on how to go fix these but I'd love some feedback and advice/guidance.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:31 pm 
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Seriously, man... what is wrong with your buddies?

I think you have few options here:

1) talk to them and explain what they're supposed to do to pick up chicks and NOT step on your feet. Everyone in your group will benefit from this! If they start saying things like "you do your thing, I do mine, everyone has his method" you HAVE to explain them that they are cockblocking you!
And of course there are several methods, but some methods are much more effective than their AFC stuff!

2) start sarging without them. Go out with them, have fun, get drunk, etc. But when it comes to sarging, go alone...


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Thanks for commenting on my journal!

Yeah, I think they are the two options i have. They either take over any set im talking too or prevent it from happening. They are sorta naturals but in a different way. I'll tell them to cut it out or even beat them at their own game.


I usually like a bit of competition or ball busting but its not a cool vibe with them when girls are around.


Thanks for your input, solo sarging is something Ill build up to for university next year.

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THURSDAY 10TH MARCH

Issues Addressed

- Inability to Approach anyone in the daytime
- Good conversation
- Inability to Qualify and Break-Rapport consciously.

I was meant to go do DAYGAME on thursday but then i was meant to go out THURSDAY NIGHT. Anyway that failed and i was waiting for a bus, annoyed i missed the day-time opportunity due to my friend. This is when a hot pink-haired girl came upto the bus station waiting checking bus times:

Girl: ahh when's the bus.
Me: buses are always shut down around now

From here she starts to speak but she wasnt looking at me:

Me: Are you speaking to me or yourself? (playfully)
Girl: ohhh i'd say about 50-50

She came over and stood next to where i was sat and i knew i had to get off bus talk straight away.

Me: Hey, im actually knew around here and trying to experience more of the city, where is good to go around here for going out?

She explained she wasn't from here either and we both were from the same town and we talked a for a while and i hesitated to introduce myself but I did.

Me: Hey you're actually really friendly-
Her: awh thank you :D
Me: My names Shah *60handshake*
Her: *she said her name*

*Here i noticed loads of sexual tension blow up and it went quiet but she quickly talked*

Anyway we talked more and she said she should get back to her husband (25years old and married, probably just an excuse though)

She left and said she might see me on the bus.


Evaluation

- I did an approach in daytime surroundings (although it was kind of dark).

- I had bad bodylanguage.

- I feel i missed some kind of opportunity to escalate before she mentioned her husband.

- As i was building rapport, i should have broken rapport maybe but i dont know how to do this properly.

- I dont know how to qualify

Conclusion

- I need to do more approaches in the daytime.
- 5 approaches of less attractive/older women
- I think my main problem is that i don't like doing it in the street but rather somewhere where everyone is stopped but my town doesn't have any malls.
- More i open and speak to people, the more experience i get. So just do the 5 until 5 is easy then go upto 10.

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Inner Game Revelation

Issues Addressed

- Meditation
- Positive Though
- Overcoming a serious negative cycle
- More journaling


Ive spent the past week or so feeling really negative. Even if im chilling with some friends ive just felt negative and angry at people. Saturday night being an exclusion where i was genuinely happy. I feel a lot of the subject today goes back a while though.

I was wondering why i was feeling so negative at my friends, at my family, at myself. I really really couldn't place a finger on it but i knew this negativity wasn't good for me.

Then as i was at work stocking up this BIG MASSIVE barrage of thoughts came to me. They were thoughts i'd had before but never accepted properly: My negative thoughts and feelings were coming from just my own insecurities, not the other people.

Masculinity

One thing was my friends that i said were amog'ing me a lot. Now maybe they were a bit and maybe they weren't but the thing is; if i was comfortable with myself and felt manly, i wouldn't be phased by it. My own short comings were making me angry.

Socialising and myself

I was also slightly annoyed at my family, not properly but i always would see my family and think "Oh i hope im not like that" or because im generally lazy (something im working on) Id almost be annoyed at them for it.

I realised/accepted i was only angry purely because of my own self-doubts and insecurities, not because there was anything wrong with them.

Ego

Another thing. I would regularly almost get an ego-boost from other people. I would see a friend and i'd think "huh, im glad im not like them" because i guess i thinking im better than them. Although i never actually thought that it was kinda like that, i cant explain it. But i realised something about my ego and it trying to act better than others. Not good.


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When all this realisation came to me. I felt a big rush of happiness run through me and i decided to write a list of 5 good things of each person i knew, starting with my family. Ill carry it on when im not so tired too.


On another note

I feel this might be a cycle, i feel like i go through cycles of being really sociable and happy and optimistic to an unsocial negative person. I know think i may have found a break in the chain. This time i hope its for good.


Although i couldn't say for certain i think its because of Meditation as I feel i realised this from just being more mindful of my thoughts.

Is this being more thoughtful/mindful? or am i still missing something?



Im now making sure that pick-up is ONLY a part of my day/hobbying when im actually out approaching and journaling about it not screwing around thinking of stuff or reading up on it. This is so i can get on with my life in other areas.

goals:

- Waking up early

Im going to start waking up early by attempting at sleeping earlier even if it feels like i can't. I will also just drag myself out of bed as early as possible to help condition my body into a good sleeping habit. Waking up early is essential to having a good, proactive day.

- Approaching during the daytime

This will be accomplished by waking up early enough to catch the hour-long bus ride to get into the city. Then approaching my 5 girls each day through progressive desensitization and then hopefully build it up from there.

- Make female friends

I have female friends but I couldn't ring them up to hang out kind of friends. I know them through other people and get along. Ive had proper female friends but always through one-itis. I will use my approaching to make lots of female friends and help build up a good lifestyle.

- Keep on meditating

Although ive been attempting meditating each day, i felt like it was either me losing attention-span or being lazy etc but ive been getting it down to 10 minutes its just i havent felt like ive been meditating, more getting lost in my thoughts. I would get lost then realise what i'd done for the passed few minutes but my positivity i've found i think will help me meditate a lot better.

- Journaling: 1) On here about my approaches and gaming
2) About my day in general including 5 positive things about me(or i've done), about my day ( e.g. nice people i've met or even a nice view) and 5 positive things about people i know.


- Get back into gym full time (ive basically done this), this links in with waking up early and not procrastinating.

- Being out of my bedroom and out of the house as much as possible.

Just get out of there. Do the writing and reading in coffee shops etc but if i have to because its on my laptop just dont procrastinate and do it and get it over and done with.


- Also before i go out i write a list of every approach ive ever done in any form to help build reference points in my head and hopefully help me in-field.
^^^^ Do this already but keep it up

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:54 pm 
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DAYGAME TUESDAY 15TH MARCH 2011

Issues Addressed

- Daygame Social Shyness
- Finally making it a routine
- Making female friends

What Happened

I only made 3 approaches, it took me like 45minutes after getting off the bus to speak to anyone. After the third i actually didn't feel so bad but i bumped into some friends, got speaking then bumped into some more friends who offered me a lift home. This was the reason i didn't carry on.

1 - not attractive woman - I asked for some directions to the post office, i didnt even need to go there. I had to walk to the post office so i just walk off in an opposite direction - that would be weird.

2 - I asked for the time off some woman. This was easy as i actually needed to know the time. Its easier when you dont feel like a tool for asking a pointless question.

3 - I asked some woman as i was walking behind me where the post office was. At first i wasnt going to but i made myself. It turned out she was going there too, so i had a long walk to the post office with her, a place i didnt need to go. We actually had a chat for the way, at first didnt know what to say but i just relaxed and let it flow.

Lesson learnt: Conversation is about just relaxing and asking a few questions to go onto better conversation and topics. At least this is how i conversate now. Maybe im wrong.


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Blocking points

My main problem has been the fact i could never get into the city for night game enough. And its becoming more of a problem too. Although my town does have enough of a nightlife for going out. I have no one to go out with that i can feel comfortable sarging and meeting new people with. Just friends who wanna sit around or hang out in big groups.

Although Im making myself go into the city for DAYGAME, hopefully i can build up to making proper approaches in the day. Only street as we have no malls :/

Another point is; i feel like ive not made any progress. At all. I know its the fact i started off setting too high a goals each night for myself without enough consistency but it makes me feel a bit hopeless.

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Its also making me realise more and more how much i really do suffer from Social Shyness, like even asking a store clerk if i can try something on is hard enough. Its weird admitting things like this to yourself. I dont think before this I would ever have spoken to stranger whilst sober. Unless something 'happened' or i genuinely needed help with something.



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WEDNESDAY 16TH MARCH 2011


Issues Addressed

- No one being in town
- Waking up late



Goals

Speak to 5 women my age/ maybe attractive.


Strategy

Ask for directions
Ask for the time because i lost my phone


What Happened

I woke up late (12:30pm) lol and so i decided to hit my local town instead as the bus was out of the question now (2hours on a bus to spend an hour in the city when the last bus is at like 4pm).

So i went out in town with everything ready, feeling fresh and i walked from end of town to another. No women worth approaching, well apart from 2 girls but they just went by before i even noticed. I probably could have opened them if i didnt hesitate so much.


So i went home.


Tomorrow

I will go into the city and approach 5 women my age/attractive. Attractive girls will be what i'll build up to for the last 1 or 2 approaches. Ill ask for directions or the time. Probably the time.

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THURSDAY 17TH MARCH 2011

Issues Addressed

- waking up late and solving it
- opening an attractive girl

Goal

To speak to 5 women, making one of them attractive.

Strategy

Wake up and go to city and ask for directions or the time.

What happened

Waking up late and solving it

I woke up early - 9:00am but then i realised i had nothing to do for ages so i went back to bed and didn't get up till 1:30pm. This is bad as then i have less time to 'wake up' and build up social momentum to approach a hot girl.

My Solution

When i wake up at that time im going to get straight out of bed, shower, breakfast and out into town. This way i have motivation to get out of my bed. Im good at getting up for stuff its just that if i feel no motivation then i sleep right through. This was my problem with college (Never felt much care for it so i never woke up early).

My Approaches

So i got the long bus to the next city and was in town by 4pm and the last buses going home were at 5:45pm. So 1:45 to basically wake myself up and talk. I go into a book store and see a woman. i ask for the time. Approach done.

Then i decided to walk around different shops instead of just walking up and down the same streets (small city) as i felt really weird and self-conscious doing that. Saw some people i met at a house party. BF and GF, they invited me out to the GF's birthday party and we talked about a few other Birthday parties and that we'll all go out. Ah glad to know i made an impression at least on some people ive met.

Anyway, i was so INHEAD that i missed out on loads of women i could have stopped, as i was not wanting to approach older/unattractive women and moving up my DAYGAME approaching. My main problems is the fact of asking for the time off them when other people are around, silly thing to think but it still put me INHEAD.

My next approach was a real cute girl with her head phones in as i was walking down a hill. It went simple;

ME: Hey, excuse do you have the time?
HER: Yeah its 4:20pm
ME: Thanks.

I know i should have carried it on or switched to direct such as "I actually stopped you because I'd be kicking myself all day, you look really friendly" or something but at least i approached an attractive girl during the day.

I also noticed there was a back street to the main street that for some reason had way more hot girls walking down there than the main street. I was going to approach a girl but i realised i had my phone in my hand. The only sentence in my head was "hey do you have the time?". So i pussied out.

Then it started to rain so i went home cba walking the streets in the rain.

Tomorrow

This time i have to;

- wake up early
- get out early
- Open 5 women
- At least 1 or 2 attractive
- Push it beyond asking the time. Even if its just asking a place to eat or saying that they're friendly.
- Finally i can go out for night game too.

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FRIDAY 18TH MARCH 2011


Issues Addressed

- getting out into NIGHTGAME after 2weeks (unable to go out)
- decision on who i go out with.
- end of this chapter


What Happened


Okay i went out last night with megatron, we were on good terms again. We get into a bar and i wait on the chairs to 'hold the fort'. So i ask a girl next to me where the toilets are. staying social.

Then this girl we know comes over and sits down just as im about to speak to the attractive 2set behind me, i feel self-conscious but after a few minutes im like "what the hell just do it", turn around ask where the toilets are (just to get things started but they dont hear me over the music. The girl im sitting with is like "oh whats that your saying?", then i felt stupid and it knocked my social momentum right off.

Anyway we went to another place where i spoke opened one girl: she was falling back and tried to grab onto her friends boob to stop falling, so i said some joke and she laughed and said "im married.". Lol

then we went to L2, the evil club where everybody stays on the dancefloor apart from a few guys at the bar.

get into another club and i tell my friend to speak to some girls, he says no, so i go to say something and he just starts speaking to them at the same time. Anyway they turned out to be too drunk or weird or both.

^^^ that annoyed me, he only started speaking to them as he saw i was.

At the bar i asked some girl whats good to drink around here, she was kinda hot too and then we spoke, i said she was friendly etc but she walked off. Next time was when some girl WASNT ON THE DANCEFLOOR WOOHOO. She didnt hear me say the opener and then i start to feel self-conscious again.

Anyway i was introduced to a friend of a friend, we spoke for ages, good conversation and she added me on facebook today. cool.

Whilst walking on the way back home, i felt so much easier giving eye contact to groups of people walking passed. Even a little banter with them, probably could have made them into friends if i wasnt in a hurry to meet someone.


Evaluation

Okay not my tidiest report but im trying to stay away from the computer for a while and thought i'd hurry up with this one.

- I felt a lot more at ease speaking to people and even when i normally wouldnt speak to a girl, i could ignore it and speak anyway.

- My conversation skills were a lot better. I felt like i could keep speaking to anyone. This is due to not thinking too much about "am i asking too many questions" and speaking what was in my head, instead of saying stuff in my head and not out loud.

- I had casual conversation and flirty conversation from cold approaches of attractive women.

- because i hadnt been out in so long, i thought id be terrible but i actually was okay. I'd probably be having good approaches if i could get out more.

- Ive decided to stop hanging out with megatron, he's become a very bad friend as of recent and i feel i have no need for him in terms of game. I liked hanging with him as it allowed me to be in nights out where i could speak to strangers rather than sit in the same pub every weekend.

- this is the end of the general socialising chapter of my life.

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End Of This Chapter

Before This Journal

Had one girlfriend when i was 17. Was pot-luck i got her too, i didnt pull any moves or anything lol. I was very bad at general conversation with people, even some people i knew from around places or i was aquantances with. In a club whilst sober, i dont think i could even have smiled at someone. In general day-to-day situations i used to hate having to speak to people, even cashiers or shop attendants, i was actually shy and kinda afraid. yeah pretty lame huh.

I found out about game in August and did it whilst i was drunk (because i thought that was a normal way) then September i gave up drinking and went out on Fridays and Saturday' nights, as i thought you HAD to go out alone. I also didnt really think about progressive desensitization and thought i had to only approach hot girls. I made probably about 4/5 approaches up until december, alone. These were also when i got drunk a little or something.

December came and i went out with my friend and i started this journal, i still drank a bit and got tipsy or a little bit more, so i got a few number closes/make outs but only whilst drunk.

Now, after journal

Well at some point in this journal i realised i needed to go out sober and I needed to do Progressive desensitization to actually start doing approaches whilst sober. Now ive slowly come to the point where i feel i could ask a question to somebody next to me. I can now do general socializing. I also know how important social momentum is. I also dont feel as rigid and frozen and scared as i did when i first started out (When knowing i was going out for gaming, even drunk, i'd have to slow down my breathing and relax myself, to get my mind off it), now i walk in feeling excited :D but a little nervous.


What to do next

Well now i'll tackle my next blocking point. I get shy around attractive girls, i mean im friends with a few and i can make friends with them if it was through a friend but on a cold approach or sexually i'd freak out a little, head would rush and anxiety would kick in. Ive always had anxiety about interacting with people.

To clear up what i mean: I'd be scared to speak to a hot girl during the day casually or if i met a hot girl through a friend i wouldnt be able to go anymore than just friendly. Although i can flirt if i saw them a few times and was on a good friend basis.


So my next chapter is being able to speak and converse with hot girls whilst sober: day and night.

Strategy

I will cold approach attractive girls from now on 3-5 a night. Since i am following AFCAdam's method. Ill start off approaching, getting off the opener and then making rapport with them.

During the day i will approach and get off the opener with 2 girls a day.

I will keep up with keeping as social as possible. Also the summer is coming which means that my hometown will have good DAYGAME and NIGHTGAME :) So this journal will be way more full as ill be able to go out as many nights as possible.

casual openers for being social

"hey you guys having a good night?"
"Hey is it always this busy?"
"Do you know where the toilets are around here?"

Daygame openers

"hey do you have the time"
"hey do you know where x/y/z is?"
*Coffee shop opener*

Nightgame Openers

"hey im Shah" *Handshake*

"Hey whats good to drink here?"
"Hey do we make a good couple"
*silly opener* "hey do i suit a moustache?"
AFCAdam opener "Hey me and my friends were having a discussion do you find most guys in your life are nice and friendly or just dicks?"



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Also just in general, the past few days ive just found conversation clicked and flowed so easy since i stopped thinking so hard and putting pressure on myself about it. Positivity man, its the way forward, leave that negativity in the motherfucking bin.

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SATURDAY 19TH MARCH 2011

Before going out i wasn't going to consider this night as apart of my journal as i was super tired and just meeting a friend in a local's bar. My sleeping habit is so fucked up. Sleep is important.


Issues Addressed

- taking too long to open

- conversation/vibing going well but difficulty escalating after that. Didn't know what to do after in front of other people.

- Again gaming with friends about but realising these friends are actually really good for gaming with! score.

- Making too many pussy excuses


What Happened

First Approach

A fight was going on outside the club so i went over to look but only because people were there that i could speak to. I speak to some girl next to me just asking what happened. She wasn't attractive but i knew i had to break out of NOT APPROACHING quickly. We spoke for a while, a few friends came over and we just spoke for 5/10minutes and she was giving lots of IOI's and kino. A little too big for my liking, nice girl though. This was after over an hour of being inside a quite bar too so im happy i pushed through and took action. Each approach counts.

Second Approach

2 random girls came up behind me and opened me. HBlittle and HBtaller (creative)

HB little: Hey how old are you?
ME: 15.

Anyway i spoke to them for a while. See i dont know if me joking around counts as breaking rapport or not. So i wasnt sure if i was going along with the METHOD right. Anyway i ID'd one of them because i didnt believe her name and we were laughing. FRIEND1 of mine was joining in chatting well whilst FRIEND2 didnt really make much effort (later he got with a complete hottie so i know he's got moves though). They were interested, HBlittle even leaned over and had her boobs on my arm for something she could have done from afar and they were asking loads of questions about us. But it was mainly me talking to a 2set with my friends at the side and after while they asked us where we were going later and said theyll see us there.***

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After this we spent a lot of time just chilling and then went back to the local's bar and i spoke to my friend and his gf. Night was going well speaking to friends. I still felt like i should be approaching, i was hungry for it but i got out at 11pm i was tired and the first approach wasn't for at least until 12am.

So we left the bar again to go to the main club in the town because the two friends i was with had met 2 hot girls, one was hot, the other was smoking hot. Smoke show.


Third Approach

Just on the dance-floor and I called out the name on a girls t-shirt, she turned around asked how i knew her name, i said because she had it on her back and gave her a twirl and she held onto my hand but her friends were calling her away and yeah i failed on that part. She was on her hen-party though, so i wasnt going to game someones fiancée.

Fourth approach

Whilst waiting with my friend at the bar, i turned to some girl and asked if she thought me and my friend made a good couple (my couples opener), turned out they knew each other and she walked off. She was HB6 if anyone cares about ratings.


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On the Second Approach

***The problem here was that it was a 2set with my 2 friends at my side but they weren't talking too much. Now ive read adam's physical frame control, i knew that as the 5 set we were, it was basically me in a 2 set with my friends out of it more of less. I should have Isolated one of them, HBsmaller was hotter i thought. It was bad physical frame control that stopped this from happening. Next time, ill remember to move people or myself so i can get the girl i want.



Anyway it was a good nights work for socialising with attractive girls. Also i actually want to go out gaming with these guys, i feel i a lot better state/mood with them as i can actually relax and chill, just need to make sure they dont stay in the local's bar each weekend ;)


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Approaching

Now i know approaching/opening isn't actually the important part of Pick-up, its the closing but i want to be able to consistently approach girls i really want. When i can do this, i'll know when it is time to forget about focusing on it so much but on the journey there, i should not completely forget about closing. Just when i see a girl who's hot and i stroll on up and spit my opener.

Does this sound right? or have i got how learning pick-up happens wrong? Do you just open whatever you can and close it? I just find as of now i can open okay women but its HOT women that really give me that drive to go for the close and flirt and do all that i think pick up is about. Or is this my ego lol.

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