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1.What are the best ways to avoid mind games when starting a relationship ? Where do most guys go wrong here ?
2.Just how much influence does the "gaming" stage has in a relationship ? Do you believe it sets like a pattern in one's behavior ?


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What does a day of 'going to the malls' look like for you?
There's a group of guys who all hang out at this great cafe near Oxford circus - I'll meet them or the students there, grab a coffee and chill for a bit.

Then it's off on a loop that takes me across to Tottenham Court Road, down to Covent Garden, and then back up and across to Bond St, hitting a few shops and things along the way.

When I'm with students, we start out with pranks and blowouts, sometimes with my wing(s) we might experiment with some crazier new ones to see how far we can take them, for example, stripping down to my boxers and getting into a bed in a furtniture store full of people, walking into a church community centre and asking where I can get a chlamydia test, and so on :-)

We hit a few shops that usually have some hot girls in - Topshop and Selfridges especially, but mainly it's just strolling down, talking to girls on the street and in a few coffee places along the way. Great way to spend Saturday and Sunday during the day :-)

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1.What are the best ways to avoid mind games when starting a relationship ? Where do most guys go wrong here ?
2.Just how much influence does the "gaming" stage has in a relationship ? Do you believe it sets like a pattern in one's behavior ?
Great questions poet!

1. I'd love to tell you that just doing whatever you want to do at the start of a relationship will work, and if you two guys click and like each other, then it shouldn't matter. But unfortunately it does! There are times when I've been like "I don't have to pretend to be unavailable or play these little games - I'll just tell her I wanna see her and it'll be fine!" only to have the girl lose interest in me. Similarly, I see myself (even though I KNOW exactly what's going on!) chasing the girls that give me active disinterest, and becoming less interested in girls who are too available and too easy. It shouldn't be like that, but human psychology is human psychology and it's not gonna change any time soon.

So, you can't really avoid playing the games. What you can do, and this is important from the initial pickup all the way through the relationship, is control the frame. From the very moment you start interacting with her, if you make it clear that you don't take her shit, can take her or leave her, like her but don't NEED her, and have plenty of options and could easily ditch her tomorrow and get laid that same night, then she'll certainly be far less likely to fuck you around. The abundance mentality and the stronger reality together will tend to allow a woman (notice I don't say "force") to mould herself around your goals and desires and have her want to support and nurture you, which is a natural drive woman have that makes them feel fulfilled and feminine. If you allow her to keep testing you, and keep apologising and refusing to lead and be dominant, then she'll keep doing it and be frustrated, whilst simultaneously losing attraction for you by the minute.

Sasha told me a story about this girl from a while back. From the moment he started talking to her it was shit test after shit test. He went up to her in the club, talked, then he left, came back, talked a bit more, then got her on the dancefloor. Went to put his coat down, she fucked off. He went immediately to his friends and hung out with them. Saw her again, talked more. Asked for her number, she gave him some story. Asked again, some more bullshit. Again, no I can't cuz... Again, ok fine here it is. Arranged a date, she shows up 30 minutes late, he's hanging out with the people at the cafe and doesn't even notice or care. She's 30 minutes late for their next date. He gets her inside, and she says she's not sleeping with him, he says fine you're probably terrible in bed anyway ;-) Then they're watching a film and he escalates and she says no. He says cool I wanna watch this film anyway. He waits, and she escalates on him and they fuck.

After fucking her asks her about the whole thing. She ADMITS that everthing from fucking off to not giving her number initially to turning up 30 minutes late to telling him she wasn't gonna fuck were ALL TESTS she PURPOSELY DID to see if he'd react like a whiny bitch, at which point she would have immediately ditched him. Moral of the story - she will test you, and all you have to do is NOT REACT.

2. Absolutely. I think a huge problem with guys learning game is that they create a "Game persona" based on their favourite PUA like Mystery or Gambler or whoever, and say the kinds of things those guys would say in certain situations. This leads the girl to believe that they have a certain kind of personality. Suddenly, the guy fucks her, and stops using the material, and becomes the same value-sucking AFC choad he was before he learned game. Lo and behold, the girl is like "this isn't what I signed up for at all!" and gets the hell out of there.

The ONLY way to prevent this is to mix and match aspects of game that are actually congruent with your personality, or develop your game to the point where it truly is part of who you ARE, rather than a set of tricks you do and say to get the girl. Once that happens, then your interactions after the sex will be the same as after, and the girl will learn more about you and be happy to be with you for who you really are.

For me, this shift came when I learned a style that allowed me to be super direct and honest with women, whilst still retaining humour. This meant I can show my positive aspects to the girl, and not have to worry about hiding anything, especially not my romantic and sexual intentions, from her. This has meant that a lot of the cocky and funny off the cuff witty remarks, innuendo and banter, just flow naturally out of my interactions, rather than me being constantly worried what the RIGHT THING to say is at the right time to get her attracted, or to build comfort, or whatever step I'm doing is. It also means I'm never worried about her "finding out" that I'm "gaming" her - because I tell her from the first few minutes that I'm hitting on her! :-)

My relationships at the moment are great because I can talk openly about what I do and who I am, knowing that the girl likes me and respect me. This all stems from the fact that every step along the way with her I was always 100% honest, 100% clear and direct, and 100% confident.

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Thank you man, your answer comes in a period of great changes for me and it was a good pointer. I love Sasha, there's probably a lot you can learn from him.
I know this is funny to mention but right after reading your reply a girl I gamed friendzoned me. And I was like so fucking happy and unreactive when i read her text that i actually told her not to worry, that it's so ok as long as she doesn't mind we can just stay friends! The next reply was she may change her mind lol. I find it very related to the story you just told me...


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1. How can you know how much a girl is into you? Especially when it's not obvious.


For instance last week I was on a second day date with a girl. She seemed into me. Later on she didn't pay a lot of attention and refused to kiss me. So I though she isn't that interested.

But she was just sick, had a headache and took penicillin. However I wouldn't have contacted her again because I misinterpreted the situation.


Then there is this current girl. She has a super important exam coming up and said she has no time for a date. She answers all text messages in 3 minutes. Again, either she is not quite interested or she is really stressed. Both would be reasonable.


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Congrats on promotion :)

I got two questions

1)When is most of your kino escalation taking place? date? bedroom?

2)At what point do you tell a girl about this whole PUA thing?


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1. How can you know how much a girl is into you? Especially when it's not obvious.


For instance last week I was on a second day date with a girl. She seemed into me. Later on she didn't pay a lot of attention and refused to kiss me. So I though she isn't that interested.

But she was just sick, had a headache and took penicillin. However I wouldn't have contacted her again because I misinterpreted the situation.


Then there is this current girl. She has a super important exam coming up and said she has no time for a date. She answers all text messages in 3 minutes. Again, either she is not quite interested or she is really stressed. Both would be reasonable.
The best way to figure out if a girl is into you is to escalate and lead, and see if she either runs away, stays, or follows. If runs away (and I mean REALLY says "get away from me") then she's definitely not into you. If she sticks around (despite ANYTHING she says, including "I'm not sleeping with you") it probably means - keep trying. If she follows, then she's obviously really into you.

Do not spend your time worrying what she thinks before you do something. DO what YOU WANT first, and then see how she reacts. She's the one that should be reacting to YOU, not the other way around.

In both of those cases there are tons of possible reasons.

With the sick girl, maybe she really likes you and so felt she HAD to go even though she wasn't well otherwise you'd lose interest in her. Maybe she just sees you as a friend as therefore was cool with just showing up not on 100% top form. I can't possibly tell you.

Similarly, with the exam girl - maybe she really has got an important exam, but she keeps her phone by her books whilst she's studying, and welcomes any excuse to procrastinate, thus answering your texts as soon as they come in (which shows nothing about her interest in YOU, just her interest in avoiding work!) Maybe she's lying about the exam, and so out of a feeling of guilt she's getting back to you really quickly to be nice. There's no way of telling just by thinking about it.

However, if you just get them out to do something (don't call it a "date" to them) and then sexually escalate, then they'll make it abundantly clear how they actually feel about you, without you having to ask or say anything.

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Congrats on promotion :)

I got two questions

1)When is most of your kino escalation taking place? date? bedroom?

2)At what point do you tell a girl about this whole PUA thing?
Thanks!

1. Bedroom. I do light arm touching on the intial pickup, some more arm and leg touching on the date, and then escalate a bit more and then kiss when I'm back at my place.

2. On the first date, sometimes during the initial pickup if it comes up naturally in the course of the conversation.

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Hi Ryan :)

If you're getting intimate with a girl, and you lose your erection right before you're about to have sex, how should you handle the situation? and, if its happened with the same girl several times, do you change the way you handle the situation on say, the 4th time it happens?


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I got couple more questions:

1)To what extent do you take flirting(sexual convo) one each of these stages? (approach, date, bedroom)

2) Any good material on flirting that you know off?

P.S. thanks a lot for the reply, I used to try to go for a kiss ASAP-works ok, but not too great-gonna try this way now)


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What's the best way to get a girl back to your place on the first date?
When I lived in NYC, for example, it seemed very easy: we would be walking around near my neighborhood and I'd say we should go have a drink on my roofdeck.

Now I live in L.A., we are driving around in separate cars, and I'm not exactly sure how to slyly get them back to my apartment... (also no roofdeck to invite them up to drink on :P )

For a second date, I'd say to meet at my place first, and then carpool from there (that way we end up back at my place), but I don't think I can get away with that on a first date since most of the girls I've BARELY met and don't feel comfortable just meeting at my house when they haven't even spent an hour with me.


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If she sticks around (despite ANYTHING she says, including "I'm not sleeping with you") it probably means - keep trying.
So true. Almost every girl who has slept with me on the first or second date has said "I'm not sleeping with you." not long before we do the deed.


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Hi Ryan :)

If you're getting intimate with a girl, and you lose your erection right before you're about to have sex, how should you handle the situation? and, if its happened with the same girl several times, do you change the way you handle the situation on say, the 4th time it happens?
dude, get some viagra. you can get them from an online pharmacy for like $1 a pill... there is no reason to have to deal with ED this day and age.


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Ok, hi Ryan, so glad you've got a thread. You are one of the most helpful posters I know on here :D got to meet up some time in London ;) So here is my question - its quite simple:

How important are looks in game with very beautiful women?

Obviously they are important, but can be overcome with your average HB, but im talking with regards to really beautiful women.

I know a HB 9.5 (stunning, italian, catwalk model) and quite understandably she has high standards. I would say i am good looking, but not stunning.

So, basically what I am saying is, with extremely hot women with extremely high standards, can you overcome their standards in just the same way as with normal girls?

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Hi Ryan :)

If you're getting intimate with a girl, and you lose your erection right before you're about to have sex, how should you handle the situation? and, if its happened with the same girl several times, do you change the way you handle the situation on say, the 4th time it happens?
Hi!

It sounds to me as if you're problem is mental. Either

i. In the back of your mind you're thinking "I don't deserve this girl" and thus you sabotage yourself, OR

ii. You're worried about performing well

Both are fairly common and can happen to anyone - it's happened to me recently, so don't worry about it! Things to do:

1. Give her good oral, fingering so she definitely cums at least once. This takes pressure off you, and I personally find it quite arousing too!

2. Talk to her. It's difficult to be getting in your head and being all anxiousif you're in the middle of telling her how sexy she is and how badly you wanna fuck her.

3. Be in the moment. Enjoy her body, enjoy the feeling, and don't have any particular goal or end in mind other than enjoying the experience for what it is.

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