So i'm re-starting my PUA life. Before I got a girlfriend I used to be pretty good at picking up girls (house parties, social events etc.). I was able to go from the Open to the number close without a problem... however now, (two years with a girlfriend) I realize that I have completely lost all my game. :O suffering from One-itis for 2 years has made me forget the art of the Pick-up.

When I was able to run game I was limiting to groups of girls of a specific ethnic origin. I am Goan (Indian) and as a result have a good skill at picking up girls of similar origin but to be honest they are not my type. I can't stand them!! They're attitude, they're "nesting" qualities. MAN!! it just grinds my gears. Now call me what you like, but I have lived in a North American society for my entire life and have in a way been convinced that members of one ethnicity are attracted to member of the same ethnicity and with the random exceptions.

Understandably, if there is no attraction (bad game, B.O., bad breath), it is easy to blame it on other things, however, after some recent field experiences I have come to this statement: in dancefloor\nightclub\bar game, woman are attracted to a similar ethnicity, if it doesn't match, there is already an uncontrollable obstacle in the way.

Now some may argue that "looks" have nothing to do with seduction and attraction, this is proven through the great PUA's deliberate big and crazy styles and peacocks. But what about ethnicity and racial stereotypes?

I know my routines, patterns, and lines work because the girl has interest, stays in the conversation and occasionally (though i need to refine the skill) gives me their number, but I honestly feel that I am missing something. This has been bothering me for the past few weeks when all materials (David DeAngelo, Ross Jefferies, Juggler, Carlos Xuma and even the great Mystery method) are being used and are keeping her interested but I can't seem to go any further. PLEASE Brothers of the art... lend me your thoughts!!

Sincerely,
Chavier

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As a female's point of view. Race does have a play on things.

I do not go for Indians or Asians but Alot of Indians go for me.

I don't know why but i get a few Indians always trying to pick me up nearly each time i am out. i think i have a certain look Indian men go for.

As soon as i see they are Indian or Asian i either immediately put them in the "friend zone" or i completely ignore them.

If they have a good personality or something.. i would keep them in the "friend zone". if they are just terrible at picking up. i would just run away and ignore them. lol

It doesn't matter if the Guy is a very attractive Indian or Asian guy or if he has a 6pack or is a decent guy with smooth moves. I would still reject them based on Race.

There was Only 1 time when I've been slightly tempted by an Indian guy. He was super smooth i admit and he was not bad looking either. He did successfully kiss me but after the Kiss in my mind i was thinking NOOO!!!! lol so i did ended up rejecting him based on Race.

i know it's a terrible thing to say and it comes out Sounding abit racist but i am not. alot of my friends are Indian and Asian.

My friend who is a Blonde Caucasian and a little older than me. In her 30's absolutely loves Indian and Asian looking men. She doesn't go for white guys. She only goes for Indian or Asian guys as she Loves dark skin but she wants either an Indian or Asian guy to get married to. lol So not All Caucasian women are like me.

Sadly Majority of Indian men do get stereotyped but i think the stereotype comes from other Indian Men giving the good ones a bad rep.

For me most of the Indian I've come across are very similar to Pradeep from The show "The pick up artist with Mystery". The funny thing is i get so many indian guys who are like Pradeep trying to pick me up. When i saw the very first episode with pradeep in it. I predicted every single thing Pradeep did down to the way he Kissed the girl. lol.

For me it's not really a stereotype. it's based on my experience which most have been very bad with Indian guys.

Everything Pradeep did on the show and his behavior including his rudeness is very spot on with majority of the Indian guys i've been around.

If you watched that show where he tries to Pull these two girls into VIP lounge by tugging their Arm or not getting the Hint when to leave. Funny enough i hardly have those experiences with Caucasian men but Alot of Indian men do the whole Arm pulling thing or they don't get when to leave. Oh my God! One time i Literally had to Run inside a train to get away from him.. he actually followed me inside the train and i ended up getting off on the next stop and pretending i needed to go to the toilet and literally had to sit inside a restroom for 45 minutes to make sure he left! lol I've never had so much trouble trying to get away from White men as i do with Indian men so Pradeep's behavior on the show was very predictable to me as i experience that with alot of Indian men.

To be honest i think it's mainly the culture they were raised in and it's nothing to do with skin color or race or looks. it's just the culture they were raised in or something in their DNA that makes 9/10 Indian men behave and act the way Pradeep does on the show. I know by saying that i am stereotyping. lol

I didn't vote, because simply it happens to me sometimes other times it doesn't, but not particularly in terms of race. When people find out I'm Irish when I'm abroad, sometimes they'll begin to take the whole stereotypes thing a little too far, but most of the time they are quite fascinated by it so it's not too much trouble. I don't really mind a few pokes at my nationality and stuff hell we're used to it, we have thick skin here, and because it doesn't happen very often that people meet an actual Irish person around the world, but really some people just push my fucking buttons. Yes people say our accents are very attractive and that's a good advantage abroad, but when people begin to bring up stereotypes about Celts then it really damages my game.

now here's my question... What if you never had a confirmation that he was indian? Technically I am, but I've been told that I would pull off Latin American, and through field experience, I know that going with it works - WHICH IS FUCKED -

Now though its not good to DIRECTLY LIE to a girl when running game, i HAVE found that if I dismiss their notion that I AM indian ("where are you from?" -Cuba) they all of a sudden are more interested and I end up getting the number without even really trying. I guess "ohh he's spanish" works better than "ohh he's pradeep"

I understand that Race may have an effect on seduction and stuff, but to be honest, if there is a connection, shouldn't it just be off that?

let me know!

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Welcome to the forums!

Chavier, I'm so glad you posted this topic! I just came across Style and his world yesterday. I'm just over halfway finished reading The Game [plunked down $35 for it after it took me over 30 minutes to locate it in Books-A-Million]. And now I'm watching VH1's The Pickup Artists episodes.

Any, I didn't see anything about Styles or the other guys nailing any Black women. Furthermore, I didn't see any Black guys on the show or in the field on youtube. There was only one guy [short, spiked blonde hair, resembled J-Dog] who approached Black women [one in a store, two-set with a White woman].

Its as if Black guys by default...all have game! Not!!!

I'm an AFC who gets nowhere with Black women. I gave up on them in 1999, and then women as a whole in 2001. The ones I see are one extreme to another, either too ghetto or too burgeois. And if you can't dance, forget it!!!

I'm a Black guy brought up White, and I can't dance. I find White women get me more than Black women. And since I lived in San Antonio for many years, I find Latin women get me a little too.

So I hope before the end of this year, I can stop being a spectator and become a participant!

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But you see thats a temporary matter of choice and\or skill. Does your game work with other women? Or is it bad all around? My problem that i'm facing here is that she is closed of.. or as femmefetal puts it: auto-matic freind zone.. just based on my skin tone...

Are you able to actually pick up woman of other races?

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@ Chavier

I gave up with women. The thing is, I never go after girls. They come after me. The timeframe of these occurrances are widely spread out.

If I had to actually go after them, I doubt I would have gotten any of them.

My good man, we are here to seek help. And with that help, you will, with trial and error, be able to get women other than Goan.

I am no PUA or PUG, but if a girl thinks you are of another ethnicity go with it. Just say you don't speak the language. And you'd better bone up on some of information concerning your origin. The dude Karim [TV show Keys to the VIP] got burned when he told an Armenian girl he was from France [he spoke French for real], and could speak French and Portuguese. When she grilled him about stuff concerning Portugal, he was done, and had to walk away.

Hey, lets hit these forum, hit youtube, read the books, and get out of this rut!

What do you say!!!

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When I was really into Asian girls, some of them said I was totally their type, and some said they didn't usually go for guys like me but there was something about me.

When I dated white and hispanic girls, some of them said I was totally their type, and some said they didn't usually go for guys like me but there was something about me.

Now that I'm really into black girls, some of them say I'm totally their type, and some say they don't usually go for guys like me but there was something about me. My current main MLTR has never dated a white guy and has never dated a guy younger than her. This confirms to me that looks clearly don't mean SHIT.

As far as I can see, race* doesn't mean anything.


* Furthermore, the very notion of "race," is actually completely arbitrary and makes no sense as a categorisation method. This is because two "white" individuals can easily have MORE genetic difference between them than a "white" and a "black" individual from totally different regions. The markers that we define as what makes someone a certain "race" are not only arbitrary, but a vanishingly small percentage compared to all the other factors beneath the skin.

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If you value them differently, yes, it does matter

so I'm back after some time in the field and I have to say I AM CONFUSED AS HELL. I did a test on PoF, JUST TO MAKE SURE if i was just making this effect my game or if it actually was. I made an account and put a picture of one of my attractive WHITE male friend, the entire profile was mine and literally EVERYTHING had my style and personality to it, all I did was change the picture from me (brown guy) to the (white guy) within 12 hours I had 3 e-mails, 2 meet me's and almost 10 viewed profiles.

Switched it to my actual self and got nothing for the past week -.- I seriously don't think it's my game anymore..

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