It seems for me this is a constant sticky point. I usually leave the target or set if Im being ignored etc. I will try a couple of times.

But I still would like to be able to re-frame or somehow get them to ease up.

Keep in mind I do all kinds of game: club, social, and day time.

thanks!

Could you provide us with some examples of what you're experiencing?

What are you opening with and how are your sets responding? Most sets that are in social venues are usually there because they want to have conversations with people, so I think just saying they're being "bitchy" is a little dismissive and you might have to take a look at your microcalibrations to the set. I can help more if I have some more details.

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them being "bitchy" is a hardwire responce to them not being constantley bothered by AFC's because you got to remember they get hit on by ALOT of guys every day so they come up with ways of getting them to leave them alone FAST hence them being a "bitch" wich is also known as the "bitch shield"... so to get rid of thta is too open with a false time constraint such as "i can only stay for a second my friends are waiting for me"... what also causes that is you giving the target value before she has earned it so thats where negs come in such as if she interupts you say something such as "how do you roll with her i swear you can dress her up but cant take her anywhere"... you got to also remember not to engage the tareget for at least 10 minutes and when you do talk to her before that make sure its a neg because she hasnt earned your interest and during that 10 or so minutes you DHV... another reason for her being a bitch would be your energy ois not high enough, your frame isnt strong enough, or your not being the alpha male

You can try to open with "breaking rapport". Which means that you are treating them as they were lower value then you, but still opening. Your tone of voice and energy should be almost like you are ordering them.

- "You suck!"
- "what?! why?!"
- "I've been standing here for almost 2 minutes and you haven't talked to me. So what makes you so speacial?"

- "hey! Did you know those girls fighting outside?!"
- "what?! no."
- "Didn't you see them?! They were fighting over a guy..." and so on

Openers like this will throw their bitch shield off. Opening in "trying for rapport" with a high pitch tone of voice and acting like she's earned your attention, going something like "hey excuse me, can I ask you something"; will definetly bring out the bitch shield.