that would make her want me more.

1. Then tell her you don't want kids!

2. Take a shit in her house & don't flush. This may take more than one attempt.

3. And of course, the infamous, "Make her family break up with you". I can go into detail on this but it might get long winded. Basically, make her family hate you, so whenever you're not trying to get her to break up with you (sleep-time), her family/friends have ammo to tell her how bad you are for her. blah blah blah blah

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one of the biggest problems in life Ive seen is peoples inabilty or lack of desire to actually communicate their views, the needs, their wants and thier dislikes. Things will always be easier when people are for a lack of a better word honest with each other and talk about shit.

Mate if I was you I would just flat out end it, explain why, being honest and frank doesnt mean you have to be a total cunt. Let her rant and start listing your failings or things that pissed her off, again surprise surprise there will be a few, and I bet if she HAD mentioned them to you and communicated these problems she would not be as much of a psycho bitch in some way. (you may want to take note incase there IS infact anything you want to change that you didnt realise about)

Once thats done look at in long term perspective in the meta game.

1) You act like a total little needy pussy or mentally retarded inept boyfriend, and she tells everyone she had to dump your arse.

2) You end it with her, and she goes on about you all the time like your the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and how your a mother fucker for dumping her because "Im a psycho bitch", while her female friends feign surprise but secretly agrees.

Which of those vague versions of your break up do you want going around? Trust me how you handle women gets around.

i appreciate all of the advice given by everyone in this thread. it's all very solid, even some of the funny stuff too.

the thing is, as you can see, if you look at my profile, i discovered this PUA stuff right at the beginning of the year, jan. 1 to be exact. up until then, i didn't have a clue. i was AFC in the worst way.

problem is i showed this girl my total AFC side long before i ever discovered this stuff and i've learned a lot since then. i put up with way too much shit from her in the beginning and never stood up for myself and played my cards totally wrong. but above it all, all along, she claims she loves me, loves me, loves me.

we had some serious talks and i did my best to recover from my AFC'ness. i told her straight out "you know, my mind wasn't right, and i was acting like a chump, because i was in a tough spot mentally at the time, but don't expect that to be the real me, the real me is confident and strong and self-assured, so don't be surprised to see that side of my personality" (and this is true) before she and i got together i had just ended a horrible LTR which was a total mindfuck.

thing is, i didn't want to walk away from our relationship because i wanted to give it a fair shake and see if things could recover, but they haven't, and in the process she has actually revealed herself to be a completely mentally and emotionally fucked up individual.

i have learned a lot from this relationship and PUA material at the same time. this has been like a real-life case study in "Can You Recover From A Strongly Entrenched Frame Of AFC". the answer is no. that woman will always see you for your vulnerabilities that you exposed, even if those are uncharacteristic for you. she will always see weakness going forward.

there ain't no saving this relationship. i've known that for quite some time. but i'm still conducting the field research to see how this plays out, because she has made it her goal to fuck with my mind, and the frame she operates from is how much she loves me and hot wrong i am toward her. when in reality, she does nothing BUT dole out shit tests, freeze me out, disrespect me, etc.

i should just walk away, but that feels like giving her a win because she always says "you just walk away". i want her to walk away.

this reads like a retarded novel.

You dont recover, you change and they watch it happen, you dont suddenly flip a switch, because they will not believe it or react to it. If they see the process occur and they are along for the ride they can understand whats going, same with your friends, the older you get the harder it is for people to accept a sudden change from day to day, unless their is a substantial gap in meeting, like when your younger it's alot easier when you were at school and someone(or you) came back from summer holidays and was somehow 'cool'.

Final thoughts off on a tangent, everything has a natural cycle and comes to an end, by all means work at relationships and other areas of life but you need to also be able to come to terms of when it's over and actually have the maturity to finish what you started, it's unhealthy for all involved. I dont mean to bust your balls or give the impression I think your a cock or anything but the idea of breaking up with a girl this way is childish and demeans you, are you seriously telling me you dont have the balls to take responsibility for your relationship and dump it all on her shoulders like a wimp? How is doing something you want to do and need to do giving her a 'win'....one up man ship ...sigh.... Dude there is no special way known to mankind of there being no emotional fall out from a break up.

biggus, you are giving some pretty solid advice.

actually things are unfolding as we speak. this bitch is smart, she smells the blood in the water and knows it's hers.

this bitch lays traps for me like fucking roadside bombs. no matter what, i'm set up to be the fucking bad guy.

she fired off a nasty ass email to me a little bit ago (she's at work). i fired back. she gave me an ultimatum. fucking cunt, she always does that. god, i hate this bitch. i fired back with "you gave me an ultimatum. i chose. we're done." followed by "damn, i think i actually hate you."



it's so wrong. but it felt so good. now, my whole life is going to be lit up like operation shock and awe. she is about to wage social circle warfare on me.

Well alright Mack, just don't waste any more time on this relationship. Ignore ignore ignore. The advice will always be the same.

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