Ok, so last night I went to this costumeparty (peacock your brains out) where I was trying to work on my game just for shits and giggles.

Good stuff: I open easily, got some positive feedback, had a good vibe (smiling alot and feeling confident) + #-close from a 6. (Althought, she was all up on me without to much effort)

Bad stuff: I had ALOT of problems keeping the sets engaged. I always have this feeling that they are very open in the beginning, but kinda shut me out after that. I had a good routine to stack to thought, I just always forgot to stack.

Ok so my questions for you guys:

-I have noticed I don't get alot of resistence if I kino very early on: like arm around there shoulder and stuff and it builds attraction way earlier imo. So is it wrong to kino very early, like right after opener?

-If a girl doesn't really give you a dirty look, but does turn her body away from you (her back turned to you) and starts talking to her friend do you always eject?
+How do eject subtly without looking like loser?

-> I guess the big question is: How many IOD's do you need to eject?

- ..other tips?



thx in advance

x Lor

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cmn guys gimme something :p

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1) Stop using routines. Not only are they gay but thats why the woman is loosing interest, your not being genuine.

2) Always, ALWAYS be physically escalating...right from the opener.

3) You don't "eject" until she walks away or tells you to get lost. Persistence!

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Ok, first of all I'm not gonna stop using routines cause you say 'they are gay'.Routines are very good for a beginner like myself so that I can focus on how I say stuff without having to wonder what to say.

That being said: I do eject fairly quickly, but isn't it obv you're not getting anywhere if she has already turned her back to you? If the answer is No, how do you reengage her in that scenario?

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Hey Lorenzo,

Toch moet ik Warped Mindless een beetje gelijk geven over dat routines best wel kut zijn. Ook voor beginners. Je moett je er sowieso niet teveel aan vasthouden. Een paar routines openingszinnen doorlezen maar je moet het je eigen maken. Eigen stijl etc. Openingzinnen moet je inzicht geven hoe de psycholigie van de vrouw werkt. Als je dat begrijpt door middel van die openingszinnen heb je ze niet meer nodig. Je wilt geen PUA zijn maar je moet natural worden. En door je teveel te hechten aan routines lukt dat niet. (gewoon tips bro).

Oke het advies:

Imo gaat het er niet om hoeveel IOD je krijgt. Het gaat erom hoeveel IOI je krijgt. Krijg je IOIs doorgaan. Is ze niet geinteresseerd in je omdat je niet interessant bent, GTFO en hup naar de volgende.

Wat betreft kino. Een arm om een chick haar schouder vind ik sowieso verschrikkelijk om te doen. Als je wat zegt bijvoorbeeld haar schouder (rustig en teder) een beetje vastpakken op een subtiele manier. Niet een arm om haar schouder leggen imo

Als je nog vragen hebt stel ze gerust Ik hoop dat je hier een beetje genoeg aan hebt.

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Everybody is using rutines in one way or another. You try out your own style of game and see what works for you, then you reuse what worked=rutine.

My best opner for sure is "Hi my name is ******, whats yours?". i use this like 80% of the time without thinking about it and it's a rutine.

People have to learn it's a difference between rutine and script.

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Im from Sweden so sorry for any grammar or spelling misstakes.

Me: Hi! My name is *** What yours?
HB: Fuck u gtfo who cares.

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@Maxovic - I understand dutch, but some of the people do not, so please use English as your primal response language.

That being said, back to the OP!

Well, I agree with Maxovic & WM. Canned openers/routines aren't good. Why? They stuff you in a partical box of thinking, what you actually need to do as a beginner is learn to read situations - I like to call it Observe & Report. Everybody should do this more a less, you are used to do it. You make remarks with your friends, parents and more people you know on what they are doing.. why not do it with girls that you don't know?

These kind of openers - gained through O&R are actually a lot more solid. Because of the fact that they are genuine and that they are creative. It also shows your interest level is higher than the regular guy. If you don't like doing this - then follow up on the one Who? gave you.. just say "Hi, what's your name" or "Hi, I'm .... what's your name?" or "Hi, you seem like a Kate,... or aren't you?" .. you get the picture by now!

For the second question, physical escalation is best.. what I like to do is.. I introduce myself, give the girl a handshake (NO kissing) although it is common in Belgium to do that.. I sometimes still do it, but try to disengage from it.. and when I shake her hand I look her into her eyes, smile & blink. Really easy!

Hope this helps, btw, I'm going to Leuven maybe this thursday! If you want to come, PM me.

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Yeah i know, sorry I taught it would be easy to comment in dutch

Btw nice post

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It's no problem, just pay attention to it next time
& Thanks! I hope you have some benefit from it aswell then!

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I totally agree that you shouldn't get to stuck on routines and I get that it isn't the routine but the way you bring it. But still, every time I have a routin to stack forth to I feel way more confident. So for now I'm gonna stick with em for a while with no intention of turning into a social robot

@LyricalDream: check PM

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The only thing I got out of that was that he shouldn't pay attention to IODs, just to IOIs and that he must become a natural and that you suck at kino.

My dutch sucks so correct me if im wrong.

Also, don't pay attention to IOIs either. ASSUME ATTRACTION. How would you act around her if you knew, 100% certain that shes wants your dick... now act that way.

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First, you can say anything...seriously...anything! It really doesn't matter. Say what you want, doesn't even have to be logical and don't give a fuck what she thinks about any of it. Being physical is much better and way more effective that worrying about what to say.

Physical game > verbal game.

Second, routines arnt good for a beginner because they make them reaction seeking and gives them a button pusher mentality.

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The confidence you feel when you sue routines isn't real confidence. Its situational confidence. Take away the routine and you wont have the real CORE confidence, the confidence in YOURSELF, not the routine.

By continuing to use scripted routines your not developing yourself and your core confidence, your simply placing a temporary band-aid over yourself.

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Great advice. For example, a few nights ago I was at a club sitting with some friends. Soulja Boy comes on and fairly few people in the club start doing the actual dance. Here I am sitting on a couch with out bottle and some friends off to the side and I start doing the dance. I notice HB8 out in the crowd point over to me dancing, so I stand up and dance my way over there, two songs later Im sucking on her neck. Read and react my friend, learn to adapt. Just get women talking about themselves, they really enjoy it.