Menopause. There I said it.

nothing of this change the fact that,ugly guys dont get laid.
who disagrees of me?

Go back and read my reply on the first (maybe second) page of this thread where I talk about three ugly PUAs I know that get with hot women.

I know plenty of ugly men who get laid by pretty damn good looking girls.

I'll go with an example we all know. Tyler Durden from RSD. Tyler (specially now) is balding, short, looks pale and weak, and guess what, hot women gravitate to him. Some people will not believe this due to community conditioning. However, anyone whos ever sene him infield can back up my statement.

Also, Tyler used to be extremly fat and even mroe ugly. He shows infield video (hours of it) of him in this condition, approaching, making out, and pulling extremly hot women in clubs/bars/on the street.

Jeffy, also from RSD is another example. I wouldn't call him ugly but hes average at best.

David X. he has his onw dating/pua/sduction company. Go look him up...fat and ugly. Also, it seems that anyone who has seen him infield says he does pull hot women.

Thats just a few examples of professional PUAs who are ugly.

I'll leave you with a video jeffy made on the subject of looks. Incase your a retard i'll tell you know...he's being sarcastic in this video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEafDmdID70[/youtube]

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Black people are just.... black. Women like black guys. "There just confident... sexy... big dicks". Even though I did get scouted, they got some kind of magical powers. Especially one of them that I chill with... It's just not fair lol.

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If you honestly believe this, I feel sorry for you.

Do you go out in the real world?

Hell, just Saturday at the club I seen a whole group of black men, all of them was pretty handosme too, except one...

Anyways, everyone of them was handsome and pretty fit yet almost all of them were complete chodes. Only two of them had girls and both the girls were FAT!

The other black guys in that group choded around at the bar not confident enough to approach.

I did see one approach a girl that was a few feet away from me and a girl I was with, she blew him out real quick. She was average at best.

That being said, I seen white guys there like that too. I also seen some blak guys, and some white guys, and a short asian kid with a cool neon shirt, doing quite well with women.

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Really man? What places do you go out then?
Cause that not JUST ME,I have friends that also say that to me,that a HB cut of some guy,and he felt sorry for him. Some HBs even feel the need of humiliate the guy,i have seen this happen IN PERSON.

I see ugly guys getting their ass kicked by HBs,ALL THE FRIKIN TIME,not just in clubs,but in a simple social environment,college,school. They are always pushed away from the social circles,not even the guys want these "losers" in their "group".
Now lemme ask you,do you think the guy would be humiliated if he was good looking?

Also,this "Jeffy",he surely is above average,and the other puas you listed,they may not be "models",but at least average they are.
Im not saying that THERES NO POSSIBILITY of an ugly guy gettin laid,im just saying its pretty rare,and doesnt happen too often.

Its even worse when it comes to POOR and ugly guys,cause the guy doesnt even have money to invest in himself,groom himself,buy nice clothes or whatever.

You say all this shit,cause you PROBABLY are handsome,or in the worst case,an "ok" looking guy,you dont know what ugly guys have to go through.

And for the video,even though the guy was being sarcastic,he pretty much described what i think about this.
Thank you.

Kasabi seems to have a superb grasp of what women go for and obviously observes them a lot.

A good response to the thread that i support.

Women say Looks do not matter!
But we all know they do.

But to what extent is subjective.

A good looking guy (pretty boy type of macho man) or other classical types of good looking men tend to have a flaw that the rest of us don't.
And that is that they depend heavily on there looks to get women, without developing other skills.
This point has been made on here but i thought i would mention it again.

You need more than a face to get on in this world.
In fact you need as many skills as you can learn and still lose out.


If the point of this thread is how much do they help you get women.

Well lets just say they help.

Like a bit of old fashioned FULL ON CONFIDENCE.

Women respond more to looks than they let on, but in 20 years or so of observations it has been the guys with the highest social value that end up with the best looking girls.
And they are never ugly dudes.

There are exceptions.

Superb Pick up guys.

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Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

Of course most ugly guys don't do good...they lack confidence. What I'm saying is that ugly guys who develop themselves, and learn "game" and get good at it, do very well with hot women.

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This is my click we're talkin' about. The black men I hang around, are my homies. Eg they got swag. Not some AFC's posted up in a club, feel me? I have to take an extra step to compete with them, I can't just fall back. Especially one of them... I dunno wtf it is about him... but he has some magical powers. The other one, not so much... Just gotta put that effort to show that my swag overwhelms his.

My game is more solid than this one black guys. We've competed for hoes before. And in the end, that hoe becomes my bird. But if I had the same game as him, he would've flew off with that bird, feel me?

EDIT: Oh and a side note. My #PrettyBoySwag is very limited right now. (I got scouted when I had my long hair. My #PrettyBoySwag was much higher) I'm coming off a buzz cut. Dunno wtf I was thinking buzzing my head, biggest mistake of my life. Looked like a chemo patient tryin' to bag chickens, horrific. Hair is growin' back. I'm about half an inch all around my head. I'm working on letting my ish grow... tryin' to get that Rob Pattinson Swag.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMdzB65BVj4[/youtube]

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1) If you call yourself a king, then act like a king. He got the magical powers because he believes he does and you should think the same about yourself too. Power of Don't give a fuck is amazing.
2) Stop calling women hoes-Absolutely Not cool.-that makes you sound like a 17 yo virgin pissed off at the rest of the world.

Shuttup trick! You aint half the #PrettyBoy I am. You'll never be the #PrettyBitchPrincess that I am. Bitch, I look like Paris Hilton.

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The fact that you feel you have to compete with your friends, and that you have to "step up" your game around them is part of whats holding you back.

Stop trying to compete, stop comparing your game to theirs, focus on yourself and do your own thing and you will find that you actually get a lot better.

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Your problem is that you're trying to be(or are) Pretty boy. Time to grow up. Time to be a man.

Wrong. My facial features don't support manliness. Tried to look more "manly" with a buzz cut and failed. Looked like a chemo patient. Long hair pretty boy is my swag. Word around town is that I'm finer than my bitch. #ParisHiltonSwag

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This is pretty much the summing up of what i feel this thread says as a whole. As per usual on this forum the main part of this thread has been subverted by those of us who belong on Jerry Springer and not in the world of PUA.

Can we get back on topic please? Im still interested to hear if anyone has a sane and competent argument against johnchangmai well written post?

Regards, Saint

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