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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:18 pm 
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Met this hb. I don't use 10 lightly. This girl is fucking gorgeous. Absolutely stunning. By far the most attractive girl that's ever crossed my PUA path in the past 5 years. She is basically the twin of Alessandra Ambrosio, google the name if you don't know who that is.

(Kasabi, help! :D)

Monday: I've seen this girl workout at my gym for 4-6 months; she generally has a friend with her which makes things harder for gym game. Anyway, one day I find myself, by complete chance, working out next to her on a light-intensity machine. She was bored. There's no way I'm gonna give up this opportunity.

I open her completely indirectly and it was flawless. It wasn't canned, it was completely situational, rooted, and relevant. It was GENUINE. There were MANY IOIs from her. I negged her a bunch; despite this girl being a 10, my game was smooth, natural, and seemingly successful.

Before I know it, maybe 10 minutes into the convo, she's telling me shit like "Wow... you seriously have the coolest life ever.. How do you get away with that?" and "I wish I could travel as much as you do but I don't have nearly as much time and money with my full time job" and just general interest/amazement at my energetic, diverse, FUN life.

Again, everything I told her and was legit. I was being myself and not caving into her beauty. I made her qualify herself and I wasn't just clamming away at how peachy everything was. I was lightly kinoing her as much as appropriate while on the machine.

I told her straight up something like "I bet you get this all the time - random guys talking to you huh" to clear out any possibility of her thinking this is some staged pickup (I've personally seen her get hit on by at *least* 10 different guys - I didn't tell her that) It was somewhat of a compliment, but of course I wasn't going to directly compliment her just yet. She laughed and told me how guys talk to her all the time and how she just pretends she's interested, and then shit-tested me to see if that's what I was doing. I played it off well and called her out on it. Just as I'd planned, perfect!

Anywho, with even more IOIs, negging, teasing, and playful banter, she shows much interest in a day 2 and she puts her number in my phone. I tell her I'm unavailable this and that day, but I could do Wednesday. She agrees and reinforces how "boring" she is (has nothing planned ever) and that wednesday would be great.

Tues: I call to confirm the day 2 and she answers right away - More playful banter and fun on the phone. 5-6 min phone call. I arrange for her to drop her car at my place, and then to go grab some food at a totally casual local restaurant. She is happy to do so, and there were even more IOIs on the phone as she was seemingly willing to do whatever to make the day 2 happen (she was going to skip working out so that we could go earlier.. and I told her no I workout every day at that time and I thought you did too? etc.)

Weds: She texts me 3-4 hrs before the "date" and says "hey I'm actually coming from home instead of work, can I just meet you at the restaurant at __:___, does that work for you?" I was a bit alarmed, since that had totally thrown off the plan of getting her at my place for a few mins before/after the day2. It wasn't really a legit excuse, since she still could have come to my place first prior to us travelling together to the restaurant. I kept thinking buyers remorse in my head, but I couldn't figure out why. I hadn't been needy.. I made her fit in my busy schedule, and I didn't acknowledge/slave to her looks whatsoever. Plus she showed all those IOIs. I shrugged it off and told her that it's cool (and teased her a bit for it). I'd rather her be comfortable.

We both arrive one after another, and she jumps to hug me right when I get in the door (I had thought about whether or not she'd be weird with a hug.. but she ran up and hugged me so fast that I didn't even get a chance to act) - I respond with a side/hug thing and say Hi, etc. We sit down almost immediately and chat away about our days, random shit. All sorts of great DHVs and more of making her qualify. Never an awkward moment or any strange convos came up. I framed it sexually as much as I could, which was difficult with us sitting across from each other at a dinner table. I was disagreeing/conversing with her on varying opinions and telling her about all the great shit I'm up to. Seemingly went awesome. Btw, we agreed to split the bill, with me "offering" to pay if she wanted to hit it up next time, and she declined to do that - so we split it.

After the restaurant, I took her outside and took her hand (she thought I was trying to shake her hand which was hilarious - so I gave her crap for that), I held her hand and walked her to her car for all of 15 seconds. She hugs me and says thanks and that she had a great time, the restaurant was so good and I'm glad we went, etc. I kiss her on the cheek (there was definitely not enough of a connection yet to make out/go for a direct kiss) and unleash 1 single compliment of "you're super cute" and she kinda hides behind her hair and says thanks all cute-style. She mentions something along the lines of "maybe I'll see you this weekend" and I tell her I'm busy friday but possibly available saturday, and to let me know. She tells me to text/call her.

Fri: To set something up over the weekend, involving her actually seeing my place and hanging out, I shoot her a text asking if her real life guitar skills are any good in guitar hero, and she responds with something like "Don't know from experience." Then, I text again offering a guitar hero duel the next day (Saturday). It was a great plan I'd thought.. to get her over, something fun and kinoesque to do with each other and to be playful, nothing serious, nothing commital, and most importantly totally informal and NOT "datish" ('formal dates' are the most cliche thing ever and I avoid them at all cost).

She responds... saying: "Unfortunately, I'm not as ready to date as I thought, but i'd be ok with being friends."

LOL

I'm thinking what the fuck is this? Total left field comment. I try and look back at wtf happened, and the only thing I can almost see is possibly at dinner where she almost had this shield up - absolutely not a bitch shield but a "recently hurt shield."

I respond after some thought with 1 concise text, mentioning that I don't formally "date" in the first place, how it's cliche, and ending the text with "I'll seeya around friend ;)" - in an attempt to mock the whole "friendship" idea. As expected, she doesn't respond back.


So, I've been trying to decipher where I fucked this one up. Judging from my gut, I think she is legitimately out of a recent relationship (or in between one, etc.) This has only happened to me one other time in 5 years of pua and the other time it was legit too - some girl figuring out her guy situation. But, on the other hand, I'm a huge believer in the fact that "No girl is a bitch or 'un-game-able,' and that it's never 'her fault.'"

I won't be communicating with her for 3-4 weeks, going to see if a freeze out works. Even then she isn't really worth my time since there was really nothing invested. other than her being extremely attractive, she didn't offer much to the table - so that is not special at all; but trying something in a few weeks won't hurt anybody. I'm sure I will see her at the gym many times before then, so I'll just have to ignore her or smile and keep walking. (Suggestions?)

I'd truly appreciate any feedback or ideas, or any similar happenings. Thanks in advance.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:04 am 
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Tell her that "you" are not ready to date either.. that she took everything WAY out of
context.. you were just wanting to be her friend nothing more.

If she mentions you trying to get her to your place, just tell her something like,
"yeah.. I wanted to see if you had some skills on the guitar in Guitar Hero.. it's not
like I wanted to get you to my place so you could seduce me.." (yes you read that right)..

Or.. you can try the "I got hurt too" line from the movie "What Women Want" with
Mel Gibson.. Just skip to the part where he's talking to the girl in the coffee shop "after"
he can hear what women are thinking.. that line is golden for the women who
"don't want to get hurt again" from a botched relationship.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:14 am 
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that she took everything WAY out of
context..

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"yeah.. I wanted to see if you had some skills on the guitar in Guitar Hero.. it's not
like I wanted to get you to my place so you could seduce me.."

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you can try the "I got hurt too" line
Great advice man! Thanks for the post!

When I see around at the gym I'll give her crap about being serious so fast, haha. I might call her up too and try and do something "friendly." That's great. I already kinda planned on giving her shit about being a "friend" so this should supplement that well. My eagerness probably gave her the idea that I'm looking to rush into a relationship, which I'm absolutely not - I wish I realized this earlier but I didn't.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:17 pm 
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Some people may disagree, but I think the mistake was not paying for dinner. You have to gauge how much of a golddigger she is but, more often than not, I think it's much safer to pay yourself. The key is to be COMPLETELY nonchalant about it. You are paying not because she is hot and you expect something in return, but simply because you are a boss and that's how you roll.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:50 pm 
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IMHO the #1 mistake is: not enough kino during the date. Not enough seduction builded up.

I know you got "hi-jacked" with her not stopping by your place, but I ALWAYS prefer not going for dinner as a first date.

Dinners suck. Dinners turn out to be "interviews" 50% of the times. Dinners get you friend zoned, man.

IMHO, if you choose dinner as a first date, your putting yourself in a very difficult game. There are much easier locations to game at 1st date...


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