Hey I'm new to the whole pick up world and I have little experience with women as many newbies tend to have lol. Not sure if this post is in the right area, it's kind of in 2 parts, one is a report and the other a question.

So last night I was at a restaurant for a late dinner with my 2 female friends (lesbian couple). Next to our table was a group of 16 women ranging between 6 - 9 rating.

I noticed a few of them get up to go for a cigarette including an 8 and a 9, so I decided to go for a cigarette as well, I just so happen to have forgotten my lighter so I asked the 8 for a light. She passed me the lighter and I pretended like I was struggling to light it at which point she did me the courtesy of lighting it.

I laughed and moved off to the side to continue smoking while observing the group of girls and eavesdropping lol. The 9 loved to be the centre of attention.

When we got back into the restaurant I sent a drink to the 8 to say thank you for lighting my cigarette. My aim was to take the attention away from the 9 and raise my social value. As the drink arrived my friends conveniently went out for a cigarette as the drink arrived but as they left the one who I'm closest to gave me a kiss on the cheek which was a bit random.

The reaction I got when the drink arrived was the entire group of women erupting shrieks of enjoyment etc. The 9 was knocked down a peg and the attention was taken away from her.

The 8 came over and said thank you.
My mistake at this point was not engaging her further when she did this. I had the table to myself and given the situation and her body language it would have been perfect to sit her down and game her and get a number close.

A little time passes I have not given the 8 any eye contact or attention, I have continued to enjoy my time with my friends. The 8 and 9 then go out for a cigarette so my close friend goes as well to assess the situation. My friend comes back and upon returning goes onto the table behind and hugs me and kisses me on the cheek again a bit random.

She told me that the gesture went down well and that they asked if I was single etc. She said she talked me up and told them I was single and that the 2 girls were in a relationship.

However the 8 didnt come over to ask for my number after this occurred, although I was never alone for her to approach which is understandable.

So the questions I would like your opinions on are as follows.

The 8: Would she have had approach anxiety because I was with 2 girls. Even though she knew they were lesbians and I wasn't with either of them.

My friend who hugged me: Was she being territorial because she has feelings for me and did she perhaps lie to me about what happened when she went out for a cigarette.

Opinions welcome

Thanks

it was good that we went out with 2 girls, doesnt matter if they were lesbians or not, have girls around you increases your social value. was very good that you assessed the situation before opening with the lighter. but you should of engaged in conversation more with the 8s and when the 9 (which if probably your target) tries to interrupt, you tease her to make your status at a higher level than hers. you shouldnt have bought the 8 a drink, thats is what AFCs do, why should you have to buy a girl a drink to enjoy your company.

it was very good that your female friend did some recon for you on the 8s and demonstrated high value for you. if you wanted either the 8 or the 9, you had to engage in conversation in the 8 when she came over. this would of increased the 8's attraction towards you and would of made the 9 jealous and the 9 would have come over. the 8 was waiting for you the whole time to ask for her number, you shouldnt have relied on her to give it to you, take charge next time.

hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude

Thanks for the input Mickey, it is food for thought.

My overall objective was not actually to close I know it defeats the purpose of gaming, however my purpose was to experiment and to assess the situation and the reaction. My objective was to devalue the 9 in front of her peer group reducing her social value and self esteem.

When I was outside I did plan to do exactly as you said give the lower rated girls the attention and neg the 9 mercilessly. However to engage in conversation was actually quite difficult because the 9 was talking non-stop and my attempt to actually engage the conversation was futile because the 9 wouldnt take a breath.

I know sending the drink is usually AFC however coupled with the IOI's I had received when I entered the restaurant and the IOI's from the lighter interaction, it made sense to do it because it was in a restaurant and it was not random it was means expressing thanks. I did not come across as AFC because when the drink was sent over my body language was "I don't care", I called a friend to make sure I did stay in this mood and then distracted myself with my phone before she came over.

Overall the 8 coming over and the information from the recon from my friend was a bonus on what I initially set out to achieve. As soon as the 8 came over and walked away I knew I should have taken control.

Michael you didnt comment on my friends behaviour I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that.

More thoughts please

most guys would ask the question "when do i make the move to open the set?". but the answer is 'immediately. There#s always gonna be an interruption with the conversation they had before you made yourself known to them. could have silenced the 9 with a high external energy and a loud enough voice to over come hers. the opener of the set could have been situational by saying "hey guys, you know your friend here talks way too much/loudly. i would have heard her with two screaming monkeys by me. how do you put up with it?". it's cheeky. the friends could find it amusing and it would neg the 9.

puas usually when gaming girls uses a so-called 'reward and punishment scenareo'. only reward the girl for good things and punish for bad things. seems weird to offer a girl a drink without her working for it or even deserving it, using a lighter for a cigarette doesnt seem much. but as you said, you felt that it made sense, but it also makes sense to other guys doing the same thing in bars. in the end, it's your call.

the sign of affection which your friend made as she came from outside was very good. it shows that you make your girl friends feel good about themselves and the 8 and 9 would be jealous and would want you to show them affection in which they need to work for. but it would not be advisable if you were touching your friends alot because you would be perceived to be a pimp and that you have ownership of girls, bad thing.