Hey guys, I've been talking to this girl for a while now (about a month or two) and at first I was the very busy one with football and everything (I'm 17, she's 16, we're both in high school) Now she plays on the basketball team and now it seems that she's always the busy one. I don't let her know that she is the more busy one, she still had the idea that I'm busy most of the time.

Basically we've kissed and all of that stuff, I've touched her vagina and she touched my dick, But only with clothes on. The reason being is that we've only done these things in public locations (not with people around but with the fear of people walking by)

I don't even know if she's a virgin or not. We never talked about these kinds of things because it seems that every time I try to turn the conversation towards that, she always finds a way to change the subject or make me not want to even talk about sex anymore.

Basically, I want to have sex with her. I'm going to use DEL to make it happen. Only thing is that I don't have anywhere to do it. I still live with my mom since I'm in high school. Every time I have the house to myself, my mom isn't home so I don't have the car. This is a problem also, because if she ever came over my house, how would she get home. Is there any way to get around this? Any other location that I would be able to use?

How would I be able to actually talk to her about sex without her changing the subject or making me think about my mom or something? (what I mean by this is, one time I tried to bring up sex because she always has this thing where she believe that I'll be living in her basement as her butler when she gets older. I told her that If anything I would be in her bed with her.. then she went on about how she's gonna be old and made me picture myself in bed with an old lady.)

Also, if she is a virgin (I'm not sure), would it be harder to do this?

As you see I have more than one problem in this thread, if you see something that looks like a problem, feel free to tell me how to fix it.

Extra info: She broke up with her boyfriend to talk to me, but I don't know if I have any intention of being in a relationship with her. I graduate this year and she doesn't. She acts like we're already together sometimes so I'm sure that she's attracted etc. So that's not the case. She's kind of clingy, I can deal with a clingy girl, and it's better that way sometimes so that I know that she's clinging to me instead of somebody else, but when you get TOO clingy, it's a problem.

[I'll add any extra info in bold if I think of anything else so if you're replying to this thread always check for bold text below this.]

She acts really innocent and probably wouldn't have sex in a car or outside for that matter.

Also, she never has the house to herself

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Your original post meanders a bit, so I'm not sure exactly what you want advice on. Having said that, your most immediate concern seems to be initiating sex with her somewhere.

Off the top of my head, have you thought about initiating sex at her house? Why does it have to be at your house?

I lost my virginity in a car -- you can literally go anywhere with her and have sex if you have a vehicle to make it happen.

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I want help on basically, how I should change the relationship to want her to have sex with me. How I should go about having conversations about sex with her without her changing the subject. Everything that you see wrong about how I'm treating the relationship etc.

She seems like the innocent type and doesn't seem like she would have sex in a car or even outside for that matter...Especially if she's a virgin.

Also, she has a stay-at-home mom and 2 sisters. She never has the house to herself

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Other members of the forum can interject if they want to, but I read this and I don't see any evidence of this -- I see you throwing up roadblocks to your own goal. Actually, I would argue that if the two of you are making out and feeling eachother up in public places, that she actually would be willing to have sex in a car. It's the most common place I think of teenagers having sex.

I would make out with her, kiss her, get hot and heavy and the endorphins flowing. Whisper in her ear how good she smells, and keep kissing her. Calibrate here -- watch to see how "into it" she gets. Is she leaning into you, grabbing at you, and reciprocating what you're doing? If she is, thats a passive indicator that she's ready to have sex, and just too embarrassed to tell you -- think about it, you want to talk about sex, and she turns the conversation somewhere else. I wouldn't be suprised if she is a virgin, but thats no excuse not to have sex with her if you both want it and are of legal age to do it (Or are prepared to face the consequences if you aren't.)

To be honest, from the information you've given us:
* Making out / feeling eachother up in public places
* She broke up with her BF to be with you (HUGE INDICATOR, if its true.)

Indicates to me that she wants to have sex with you, and you're simply overcomplicating it.

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So how would I go about talking to her about sex to be sure of this? We've NEVER talked about sex before...I've only made comments about it. How would I let her know that I want to have sex with her? It probably wouldn't be wise and come straight out and tell her since we haven't ever talked about sex together

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Alright, so now we're cutting through the fluff and getting to the real problem at hand. I'd ask other members of the forum to offer their advice, but my opinion would be this.

PUA talks about "The Moment". Where you've run your game, and you wait for "that moment" where you lay it all on the line and you move in for the kiss, or you begin initiating sex. If you are running game and you ever feel like you are approaching "the moment", you are doing your game wrong. You need to calibrate yourself like making out with girls, and having sex, is a commonplace occurance for you. Towards that end --

From where I sit, after my years in the field, questions like "Can I kiss you?" or "I want to talk to you about sex" is a huge DLV -- it is our job, as men, to control the pace of our sets. It is a woman's job to slow it down, or stop it.
* You lean in and kiss, when it feels right -- you brush your hand over her hair, lean in and smell her -- you tell her how good she smells, being extremely forward, and then you push her away. If she gets close to you again, it is implicit compliance that she is ready to be kissed, and you take the initiative and simply do it. That's all there is to it.
* It works the same way with sex. You get hot and heavy, kiss her passionately, and start working your way down. If she tells you to stop, or slow down, you respect her wishes and go back to simply kissing her. Keep calibrating -- you need to read her body. If she gets rigid, or uncomfortable, she doesn't want to have sex. But if she continues to raise buying temperature with you, she wants to have sex. It's as simple as that.

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Thanks for your help bro. Problem solved, she has a game on tuesday which means no practice. She's comin over to "watch a movie" after school.

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