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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:38 pm 
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So, First of all hi guys, im new here, and have been open to this world only for one week, but im very impressed with it.
So, in 3 weeks im flying to london and ill be in a party with my cous which is 17 years old. im 18 btw.
I believe it it be a good chance of randomlly taking sets without caring for the outcome, which is a good way to earn experience.
anyway,
When approaching a set as a tourist :
''I cant believe I flew all the way from (country of origin) to find out all english girls only like guys that money fall out of their pockets''

Is this opener any good?
and please if you have any tourist openers, i would love to hear some.

Thanks alot.
-TYPK


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:25 pm 
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hey man. want to wish you a warm welcome to london, one of the top cities in the world where PUAs come to do game.

What you have said is basically a statement and not an opener. your statement if you made it in a set does not necessarily mean that they'll give a response in order to transition. get used to asking more opinion/indirect openers.

a good one a tourist can use is (said in a borat accent) "Hello, I'm new in town, can i get directions to your apartment?". lol this will crack them up.

"Hey guys, need your opinion on something, Do I look gay? the reason im asking is because i was a bar the other night and this guy was totally hitting on me."

there are also some other openers in the pua forum. here are some more tips about attraction, building rapport and getting a number.

women like men who are observant and situational. notice things about ur target, what she is wear (clothes, jewelry etc). so if u notice something about her (do not comment on how beautiful she is) tell her about it e.g. u notice her bracelet, when talking to her, take hold of her wrist gently and say "wow this is an interesting bracelet, whats the story behind it?", there's always a background story behind women\s accessories. be situational about the environment you are in, whats happening, what do you see, make a statement about it or ask her opinion on it. being situational is much better than scripted material.

here are some of my other posts about building attraction and rapport with a girl.

one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

Hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude ;-)


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:38 am 
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wow thanks man, really good help.
i'll try that opener for sure.
lots of work ahead :wink:


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When approaching a set as a tourist :
''I cant believe I flew all the way from (country of origin) to find out all english girls only like guys that money fall out of their pockets''
This sends up a few red flags for me:
1. The opener itself, like previously mentioned, isn't really an opener, it's more of a statement. If you had a story to follow up with, say, when you were in the airport and you saw an english girl hanging off a rich guy while you were in customs, you might have a more effective opener there, but if the set you open is predisposed talking to eachother or focused on something else, they aren't going to begin a conversation with you. When you open, you must be prepared to do 90% of the talking: keep in mind during the opener the set is looking at their friends and examining you to make sure you aren't a creep: it's a defense mechanism.

2. To me, the connotation of why you're approaching them becomes implicit -- it's a direct opener, and I'm not too fond of them. The girl knows why you're talking to her (You want to find a girl who is into guys who dont have money falling out of their pockets.), so her defenses are raised.

3. By stating that you don't have money falling out of your pockets, while it might be genuine and honest, its also a DLV -- that's a no go for me.

Rethink your opener, and repost it here if you want some more critiques.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:34 pm 
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I wouldnt do situational openers ever


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:02 pm 
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situational openers are one of the best. it's not preplanned, completely spontaneous and it develops your skills of becoming a natural pua rather than a guy just shooting scripted material from his ass. being situational allows one to think for themselves and custom make their own game.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:05 pm 
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and its sloppy if nothing happens your fucked and openers dont mean shit about the skill of the PUA lol its mid-game and close just open with a canned line and then do situational after after their interested


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