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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:37 pm 
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I appreciate the community, but 90% of what I know came from practice.

Here is the list of things learned from community and personal experience which I believe are EXTREMELY important to know.

1) Every rule is meant to be broken. Seriously. Every single one. Being in moment is way more important than actually remembering all the deadlines and patterns.

2)Time for the next move depends on 3 things: You, girl, situation(not a coach, method or anything else)

3)If you're still near her...you can recover. Girls perception of you changes really fast, that's why looks aren't important. (If you can turn the tables in one minute who cares about first impression)

4)Make friends with the group.

5)Approach only girls you really like! Don't approach just to approach. (normal convo's are fine, and exceptions can be made for beginners, but once you're done with AA problems don't do it.)(GWM)

6)Seductive Eye contact is crucial(GWM)

7) No matter how awesome girl is(and I've seen some amazing girls looks/personality/brain wise) there is going to be another one which is just as good, or maybe better.

8)When you go for a kiss, grab the girl instead of super-uncomfortable leaning in(will make your K-closes much easier)

9)Numbers mean nothing-0-absolutely nothing(she might not even remember you a week later) even if it was daygame

10) If you approach-close(why would you interrupt people if you don't close)

11) once you got the number, go for the date, don't let large gaps in between. Freeze outs aren't bad, just don't go too far.

12)What girls want is different from what girls respond to(Deangelo)

13)Attraction is not a choice(Deangelo)

14)Don't get into other people's (successful) relationships.

15)The only reason to go into an unsuccessful relationship would be if you are in LOVE with that girl

16)You CAN'T be in LOVE because of looks.

17)Deangelo calls this wuss behavior, chode behavior, I have something similar that I try to be cautious about. In any situation, if you feel like this reminds u something from a romantic movie DON'T DO IT. most likely you'll end up in a very very stupid and/or pathetic situation(personal experience)

18 ) pathetic-is something you should try your best not to be. Being a man is complete opposite.

19)Best women are attracted to real men, not magicians, models, super rich or famous. For the BEST girl this staff doesn't matter. this is the type of girls you should be aiming for relationship with(if u want one.)

20)Listen carefully what girl says to you, details will help you with logistics A LOT!

21)Listen doesn't mean be serious about it.

22)Sometimes if a girl says that she had her cell-phone stolen or lost it or etc. it doesn't always mean she flakes you, it can be true.(just happened 2 days ago, and I thought I was flaked...lol)

23)Don't make one big move, instead break it down into few small moves.(Mystery I think..)

24)Every person's favorite topic is himself/herself-but people can be both extrovert and introvert. So if she is extrovert, let her talk about herself if introvert, you talk about her.

25) When talking about her try using pacing and leading(start with describing obvious, and then moving on describing how she is(how she is being how you want her to be)

26)Give explanation. If you want girl to do something, giving explanation will really increase chances that she'll comply. (AFC Adam) If you give explanation, at least have some minimum amount of logic behind it.

27)learn some manners. Be an asshole is a bad thing. Being nice and being pathetic are different things.

28 ) Nomatter how good you are, if you don't know what the next step is you
re fucked.

29) Kino MUST be step by step. Here is link to it: http://everything2.com/title/12+Steps+to+Intimacy

I'll be adding as I remember useful ideas/experiences.

I am always ready for critiques.


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Excellent Post.

Some good tips.

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oh god, #17 is so true.


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Awesome post man.


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I Liked reading this.

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I don't mean to sound stupid but I don't get 17? Can you explain this further? Thanks.

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Here are some more:

30) You have to know that you actually DESERVE that girl, no matter who she is-you are on her level-not below.(Tyler Durden)

31)You have to be sure that she isn't below either. If she is below- what's the point of approaching?

32) Stop judging people. That's bad. (I do have a rule of no relationship with a girl who does one-night stands, but it doesn't mean I consider her to be a bad person of anyway. Everyone has a right for his/her choice in life and mine is not to date these women.)

33) Don't take girl's virginity. Unless you're going to marry her.(It is traditional, but will save you a lot of headache-trust me.)

34) NOTE: IMPORTANT: If you learn one thing that I'll describe in this paragraph- that'll solve many PU and life related problems for you. You won't be alone. You will be able to be with a girl you like, people you like, have a life you've always dreamed about. That one thing is-being happy by enjoying the moment. Enjoy your life. Just enjoy the moment, weather whatever. Life is short. By doing so you'll be much happier=>people(including super-hot girls) WILL BE DRAWNED TO YOU LIKE MAGNET.(talking from personal experience) And to make some use of your magnetic capabilities, knowing basic steps from first interaction to bedroom (good pattern is in link above) you'll do great. After all, for most guys here, its about being loved, rather than banging thousand chicks.

If you have problem with enjoying your life, do yourself a favor and watch this movie: http://www.mysoju.com/japanese-movie/1- ... ars-movie/ - based on a true story. Hopefully that'll make you cherish your life a bit more.

35) Confidence is huge.

36) Real confidence needs to be based on something. Money, clothes etc-all superficial BS-effect it temprorarily. Confidence is based on the fact that you're worth something(have value) Knowing that is your what will give you EPIC confidence. To know that you have value you need to have it. Here is simple-probably most effective way of building massive amounts of value(in yourself) and having a solid base for your identity. BE A GOOD PERSON. HELP OTHER PEOPLE.-sounds lame, but trust me, if you can learn to love people around you, they'll do the same to you. Knowing that you actually helped somebody adds you infite times more value(at least in my eyes and hopefully in yours) than having all the money in the world.(not saying money is bad-just PU unrelated)
Bottom line: DO GOOD TO PEOPLE AND YOU'LL GET LAID. Because if you know you can be certain that you are a good person, it really doesn't matter whether someone in particular sees it or not.

37) Another alternative to build confidence (if you don't want to be good to people) - is travelling. By yourself. Take your car every week-end and go to a different town/city/country you've never been before. Go and keep gaming in these environment. Survive.

38) Don't try to live up to other people's standards. Set yourself standards and priorities and live up to them. A person with his/her own set of values is always attractive.

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@Ocelot. What it basically means, is try avoiding moves which are common in Hollywood romantic movies...try to avoid too much of romance itself(flowers other shit, although you don't even know her.), chasing, trying "to win her back" as in some movies, maybe you actually cam to PU, with something like " I lost that girl, now I'm gonna read a PU book and win her back" Personally, when I just started, I failed, and my ego hurt a lot. So I quit for about 2 years. I then met an amazing girl, went on a couple of dates and lost her. Came back to PU just to "win her back" and realized that my motivation was wrong in itself.


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Here is simple-probably most effective way of building massive amounts of value(in yourself) and having a solid base for your identity. BE A GOOD PERSON. HELP OTHER PEOPLE.-sounds lame, but trust me, if you can learn to love people around you, they'll do the same to you. Knowing that you actually helped somebody adds you infite times more value(at least in my eyes and hopefully in yours) than having all the money in the world.(not saying money is bad-just PU unrelated)
Bottom line: DO GOOD TO PEOPLE AND YOU'LL GET LAID. Because if you know you can be certain that you are a good person, it really doesn't matter whether someone in particular sees it or not.
This is so true. Being very confident + being a loving/good person = being a succesfull person.

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@Shyler

I think you missed the point a bit.

It's easy to tell a person "Be confident" What I'm saying is how to build that confidence.

I believe, developing some quality in yourself that you value a lot is the way to get a lot of confidence. I value being warm-hearted and caring person, that's why I concentrate on helping other people. Some people value decisiveness(including me) then point #38 is for you.

OK I'll keep it simple.

Here is 3 steps to EPIC confidence

1) Identify what qualities you value in people(what makes you a real man)-makes you respect yourself
2)Do something that develops these qualities in you
3)Never forget that yo ualready have this quality-reason to really respect yourslef.(e.g. stepping out of comfort zone etc)

If you respect yourslef, or know that there is reason to respect you-your confidence will rise dramatically.

The rest is details...although some of them are quite important.


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@Shyler

I think you missed the point a bit.

It's easy to tell a person "Be confident" What I'm saying is how to build that confidence.

I believe, developing some quality in yourself that you value a lot is the way to get a lot of confidence. I value being warm-hearted and caring person, that's why I concentrate on helping other people. Some people value decisiveness(including me) then point #38 is for you.

OK I'll keep it simple.

Here is 3 steps to EPIC confidence

1) Identify what qualities you value in people(what makes you a real man)-makes you respect yourself
2)Do something that develops these qualities in you
3)Never forget that yo ualready have this quality-reason to really respect yourslef.(e.g. stepping out of comfort zone etc)

If you respect yourslef, or know that there is reason to respect you-your confidence will rise dramatically.

The rest is details...although some of them are quite important.
No, I did get your point.

I just wanted to stress that being a good person is good. There are too many people out there who believe that being a jerk or "the alfa male" is the only way to get pussy, which is the biggest myth ever. This attitude changes a lot of people. Loving other people, start being optimistic, ... helps you loving yourself as well. But being a loving person, without having enough confidence, can make you needy, thus I added the "+being confident". Getting confidence is like you said, value particular things in life, setting up goals and working up to succeed them.

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Bboy sleepy. Awesome article! Thanks


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I don't mean to sound stupid but I don't get 17? Can you explain this further? Thanks.
It means if you use romantic/relationship stuff like giving flowers, buying dinners, etc EARLY in the pickup you will mess it up and be a wussy/chode/AFC.

It's also covered in the blueprint decoded. Tyler says it CAN work. But only if the girl already is in love with you. But it won't build attraction or increase your chances if she's neutral about you.

This stuff only works in movies and is known as social conditioning.

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Good post, however the first two are contentious:
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1) Every rule is meant to be broken. Seriously. Every single one. Being in moment is way more important than actually remembering all the deadlines and patterns.

2)Time for the next move depends on 3 things: You, girl, situation(not a coach, method or anything else)
1. If a guy hasn't heard of any rules and sucks with girls, this won't really be of help to him.

2. If a guy who is poor with women has stumbled on PUA this won't be of any help. He may just think to keep doing what he was doing (which was getting poor results) and think he's doing it right.

Not criticising you at all, just some food for thought!


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@trixsta

This is PUA lounge

At least level of aPUA expected.

but you're right, I probably should have mentioned it.

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Some staff from mickeyjackson21 that I'm def. implementing:

39) "women like men who are observant and situational. notice things about ur target, what she is wear (clothes, jewelry etc). so if u notice something about her (do not comment on how beautiful she is) tell her about it e.g. u notice her bracelet, when talking to her, take hold of her wrist gently and say "wow this is an interesting bracelet, whats the story behind it?", there's always a background story behind women\s accessories. be situational about the environment you are in, whats happening, what do you see, make a statement about it or ask her opinion on it. being situational is much better than scripted material."

40)one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.

41)building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

42)In order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

43)And connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

44)Another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

45)the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

46)so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

47)dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

P.S. I just copy-pasted the whole thing and added the numbers. I believe this was gold.

something I'd like to add from myself:

48) To be natural you have to master 4 things:

1)Good conversational skills.
2)Good mindset.
3)Good body-language.(often comes from good mindset)
4)Proper escalation.


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