I keep reading about people going out at night and bragging about "number closing", or going to bars/clubs and getting phone numbers from 10 girls.

I hate to break it to you, but phone numbers are nearly meaningless.

If you aren't at LEAST kiss-closing these girls, then you are likely getting nowhere.

number-closes are fine with day-game, because there is no way a girl is DTF when meeting you in the local grocery store, but girls go out to bars and clubs for a reason - to meet some guy to be sexual with. Not to give out their numbers for a phone call and chit chat a few days later...

So, I guess this is just a mini-rant at people who think they are hot shit for number-closing mass amounts of girls. Bring them home with you, or make out with them, or your newly acquired phone number means almost nothing

^Ofc, I think most people know that.

For some empirical numbers, if I'm playing phone numbers game then about 50% of the numbers I get text back, and 10% end in day 2s.

It could make those percentages much higher but when I do phone number game for some reason I only talk to the girl for around 7 mins on average and my text game is shit and boring because I can't be assed to be interesting and I just go direct.

well i know certain ppl dont give kiss closes much acclaim either because in a night scene its pretty easy. often you dont even have to open inorder to get a makeout just dance and look good. so i think the moral of the story here is: be happy with whatever results you want, just dont brag cuz someones always gunna try and rain on your parade.

I agree.
Actually I NEVER got a "No" answer when I got their phone number from cold approach.
But if they'll pick it up when you call or if they'll have sex that's another story.

Much more important is to have a solid connection so that they're craving to talk to you again, then the phone number is natural, it's just a matter of getting together and enjoying yourselves.

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true, if you have the connection, flaky numbers are unlikely. (starwars?)

I Agree with this post 2000000000%

I see guys on this forum being ecstatic all the time over number closes , their meaningless

Truth is I know alot of girls that hand out their number as a means of "showing off to their friends" or " because it means an end to their conversation"

Guys should be setting the bar aiming for k-closes before n-closes

and even when they k-close they should be getting facebooks not numbers . Facebooks make it easier for the girl to remember you

I agree with you, numbers aren't worth alot. It more depends on the situation. Creating a good connection will want her to see you again, just a speed dial without anything to it will be useless.
But, what will all those 10 girls think if you just kiss every girl you number close? I feel kinda awkward kissing a girl that's merely 10ft away from the other girl I just kissed, because she does see what you're doing. I think these girls will flake alot faster when you call them...

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Optimistic?

Well, of course #closing isn't spectacular, but not everyone here is quite at the level where they can k-close. I just recently promoted myself to gPUA from rAFC because I can k-close somewhat consistenly now. I don't even think I even have numberclosed that much.
Thing is, when you just start working on your game as a hopeless AFC who never even got the time of day from a girl, a number seems like a huge leap forward. I say let the kids enjoy their moment of glory, they'll realize k-closing is their next step soon.

true, it is not a win but it is an intrical part of your interactions with women.

If you/her are busy or she is leaving the club then being good at number closing is a good skill to have.

Also if you have logistical issues with a girl, number closing might be best.

So the guys who have number closed more often will, theoretically, have more experience and sharper skills on it.

just my humble opinion though.

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